From g.stjohn at warpmail.net Fri Oct 17 20:13:08 2008 From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net (Graham St John) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:13:08 -0600 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Rave Culture and Religion Message-ID: In 2004 I published my edited collection Rave Culture and Religion: http://www.edgecentral.net/rcr.htm As the book is only available as a hardback (or ebook) which Routledge pushes to libraries, it is expensive. It is very popular with libraries, but as a result this is the only way most people (including students) can access the book. In an effort to convince Routledge to release it as a cheaper softback (and thus make more accessible to students) this coming year, i am seeking some useful information. If you are running a course, or know someone who is running a course who might want to use the book as a text could you please let me know the course details. Cheers Graham From a-dandrea at uchicago.edu Sat Oct 18 22:03:48 2008 From: a-dandrea at uchicago.edu (Anthony D'Andrea) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] Book "Global Nomads" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <258323.32725.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear List, My book "Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as Transnational Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa" (2007, Routledge International Library of Sociology) is in a similar situation to Graham's book. If you plan or would like to adopt my book in your classes (or know of some colleague who would), would you be so kind to forward this, or let me know about your interest and, if possible, send me some information, such as class name, estimated number of students, institution, period, etc?... The press' link for the book: http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 Your help is greatly appreciated - and the mass of disenfranchised readers appreciates that too! Thanks. Anthony "The nomad does not move." (Deleuze & Guattari) _______________________________________________ Anthony Fischer D'Andrea, PhD http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre http://globalraver.blogspot.com/ http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 --- On Sat, 10/18/08, dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org wrote: > From: Graham St John > Subject: [Dancecult-l] Rave Culture and Religion > To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > > > In 2004 I published my edited collection Rave Culture and > Religion: > http://www.edgecentral.net/rcr.htm > > As the book is only available as a hardback (or ebook) > which > Routledge pushes to libraries, it is expensive. It is very > popular > with libraries, but as a result this is the only way most > people > (including students) can access the book. > > In an effort to convince Routledge to release it as a > cheaper > softback (and thus make more accessible to students) this > coming > year, i am seeking some useful information. > > If you are running a course, or know someone who is running > a course > who might want to use the book as a text could you please > let me know > the course details. > > Cheers > > Graham > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > > > End of Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1 > ****************************************** From geert at xs4all.nl Sun Oct 19 09:27:08 2008 From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:27:08 +0200 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Book "Global Nomads" In-Reply-To: <258323.32725.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <258323.32725.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi! I am really sorry to address this but I think you both made the wrong book deals. In essence this is a collective concern but you as an author also play a role in this. I think your work is great and needs to read by many people! Do not work with Sage and Routledge under these circumstances... they are amongst the worst. For the moment: put the content on the Internet anyway and just what happens. That's maybe the way to go right now. Best, Geert On 18 Oct 2008, at 10:03 PM, Anthony D'Andrea wrote: > Dear List, > > My book "Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as Transnational > Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa" (2007, Routledge International > Library of Sociology) is in a similar situation to Graham's book. > > If you plan or would like to adopt my book in your classes (or know > of some colleague who would), would you be so kind to forward this, > or let me know about your interest and, if possible, send me some > information, such as class name, estimated number of students, > institution, period, etc?... > > The press' link for the book: > http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 > > Your help is greatly appreciated - and the mass of disenfranchised > readers appreciates that too! Thanks. > > > Anthony > > > "The nomad does not move." (Deleuze & Guattari) > _______________________________________________ > Anthony Fischer D'Andrea, PhD > > http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre > http://globalraver.blogspot.com/ > http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 > > > --- On Sat, 10/18/08, dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org > wrote: > > >> From: Graham St John >> Subject: [Dancecult-l] Rave Culture and Religion >> To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >> >> In 2004 I published my edited collection Rave Culture and >> Religion: >> http://www.edgecentral.net/rcr.htm >> >> As the book is only available as a hardback (or ebook) >> which >> Routledge pushes to libraries, it is expensive. It is very >> popular >> with libraries, but as a result this is the only way most >> people >> (including students) can access the book. >> >> In an effort to convince Routledge to release it as a >> cheaper >> softback (and thus make more accessible to students) this >> coming >> year, i am seeking some useful information. >> >> If you are running a course, or know someone who is running >> a course >> who might want to use the book as a text could you please >> let me know >> the course details. >> >> Cheers >> >> Graham >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> >> >> End of Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1 >> ****************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > From g.stjohn at warpmail.net Sun Oct 19 21:10:38 2008 From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net (Graham St John) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:10:38 -0600 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Book "Global Nomads" In-Reply-To: References: <258323.32725.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Geert Yes it was a painful result - of course - but its easy to judge in hindsight when, at least in my case, this was the ONLY option to get this material published at the time. No other publisher wanted to touch it, whereas I suppose if it was a book about jazz or Bob Dylan or the Internet it might have been jumped on, and besides, all the contributors (many graduate students at the time!) at least potentially benefit in their own institutional/academic point scoring systems. Yes its sickening how academic publishers routinely prey on our vulnerabilities given the pressures to be published. They know it, and they arent making it any easier. Tony's book also deserves so much better. I do recommend that anyone new to signing a publishing contract seek good advice in advance. Graham - whose determined to have the last laugh. At 9:27 AM +0200 10/19/08, Geert Lovink wrote: >Hi! > >I am really sorry to address this but I think you both made the >wrong book deals. In essence this is a collective concern but you as >an author also play a role in this. > >I think your work is great and needs to read by many people! > >Do not work with Sage and Routledge under these circumstances... >they are amongst the worst. > >For the moment: put the content on the Internet anyway and just what >happens. That's maybe the way to go right now. > >Best, Geert > > >On 18 Oct 2008, at 10:03 PM, Anthony D'Andrea wrote: > >>Dear List, >> >>My book "Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as Transnational >>Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa" (2007, Routledge International >>Library of Sociology) is in a similar situation to Graham's book. >> >>If you plan or would like to adopt my book in your classes (or know >>of some colleague who would), would you be so kind to forward this, >>or let me know about your interest and, if possible, send me some >>information, such as class name, estimated number of students, >>institution, period, etc?... >> >>The press' link for the book: >>http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 >> >>Your help is greatly appreciated - and the mass of disenfranchised >>readers appreciates that too! Thanks. >> >> >>Anthony >> >> >>"The nomad does not move." (Deleuze & Guattari) >>_______________________________________________ >>Anthony Fischer D'Andrea, PhD >> >>http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre >>http://globalraver.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 >> >> >>--- On Sat, 10/18/08, dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org >> wrote: >> >>>From: Graham St John >>>Subject: [Dancecult-l] Rave Culture and Religion >>>To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>> >>> >>>In 2004 I published my edited collection Rave Culture and >>>Religion: >>>http://www.edgecentral.net/rcr.htm >>> >>>As the book is only available as a hardback (or ebook) >>>which >>>Routledge pushes to libraries, it is expensive. It is very >>>popular >>>with libraries, but as a result this is the only way most >>>people >>>(including students) can access the book. >>> >>>In an effort to convince Routledge to release it as a >>>cheaper >>>softback (and thus make more accessible to students) this >>>coming >>>year, i am seeking some useful information. >>> >>>If you are running a course, or know someone who is running >>>a course >>>who might want to use the book as a text could you please >>>let me know >>>the course details. >>> >>>Cheers >>> >>>Graham >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Dancecult-l mailing list >>>Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>No commercial use without permission >>> >>> >>>End of Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1 >>>****************************************** >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Dancecult-l mailing list >>Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>No commercial use without permission >>www.dancecult.net From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Mon Oct 20 17:52:01 2008 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:52:01 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Book "Global Nomads" In-Reply-To: References: <258323.32725.qm@web45701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48FCA921.8060608@zoo.co.uk> Hi, At least Routledge and Sage are excellent additions to your CV, unlike some other publishers. Their academic track record and international status is valued by research publication audits. And having published with them would put more weight to future contract negotiations. When you sign a contract, just read through it carefully, making sure you keep your copyright, otherwise you would not be allowed to republish your work. Also, you could specify that paperback is a required format and see where it gets you. Many people simply sign, but it is your right to negotiate any aspect in the contract. And, especially watch out with US contracts. In one I was presented with it was even suggested that copyright was retained by the publisher for any future format (comparable to a recording contract), including film scripts! A film script may sound far-fetched, but blockbuster 'Saturday Night Fever' was based on an ethnography of working class Italian-American dance culture. It may be useful if a publisher could negotiate exploitation of various formats on your behalf, but not if they own 100% of your copyright. Hillegonda Graham St John wrote: > Hi Geert > > Yes it was a painful result - of course - but its easy to judge in > hindsight when, at least in my case, this was the ONLY option to get > this material published at the time. No other publisher wanted to > touch it, whereas I suppose if it was a book about jazz or Bob Dylan > or the Internet it might have been jumped on, and besides, all the > contributors (many graduate students at the time!) at least > potentially benefit in their own institutional/academic point scoring > systems. Yes its sickening how academic publishers routinely prey on > our vulnerabilities given the pressures to be published. They know > it, and they arent making it any easier. Tony's book also deserves so > much better. > > I do recommend that anyone new to signing a publishing contract seek > good advice in advance. > > Graham - whose determined to have the last laugh. > > At 9:27 AM +0200 10/19/08, Geert Lovink wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I am really sorry to address this but I think you both made the >> wrong book deals. In essence this is a collective concern but you as >> an author also play a role in this. >> >> I think your work is great and needs to read by many people! >> >> Do not work with Sage and Routledge under these circumstances... >> they are amongst the worst. >> >> For the moment: put the content on the Internet anyway and just what >> happens. That's maybe the way to go right now. >> >> Best, Geert >> >> >> On 18 Oct 2008, at 10:03 PM, Anthony D'Andrea wrote: >> >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> My book "Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as Transnational >>> Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa" (2007, Routledge International >>> Library of Sociology) is in a similar situation to Graham's book. >>> >>> If you plan or would like to adopt my book in your classes (or know >>> of some colleague who would), would you be so kind to forward this, >>> or let me know about your interest and, if possible, send me some >>> information, such as class name, estimated number of students, >>> institution, period, etc?... >>> >>> The press' link for the book: >>> http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 >>> >>> Your help is greatly appreciated - and the mass of disenfranchised >>> readers appreciates that too! Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> >>> "The nomad does not move." (Deleuze & Guattari) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Anthony Fischer D'Andrea, PhD >>> >>> http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre >>> http://globalraver.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 >>> >>> >>> --- On Sat, 10/18/08, dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: Graham St John >>>> Subject: [Dancecult-l] Rave Culture and Religion >>>> To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> >>>> >>>> In 2004 I published my edited collection Rave Culture and >>>> Religion: >>>> http://www.edgecentral.net/rcr.htm >>>> >>>> As the book is only available as a hardback (or ebook) >>>> which >>>> Routledge pushes to libraries, it is expensive. It is very >>>> popular >>>> with libraries, but as a result this is the only way most >>>> people >>>> (including students) can access the book. >>>> >>>> In an effort to convince Routledge to release it as a >>>> cheaper >>>> softback (and thus make more accessible to students) this >>>> coming >>>> year, i am seeking some useful information. >>>> >>>> If you are running a course, or know someone who is running >>>> a course >>>> who might want to use the book as a text could you please >>>> let me know >>>> the course details. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>> No commercial use without permission >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1 >>>> ****************************************** >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>> No commercial use without permission >>> www.dancecult.net >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > From a-dandrea at uchicago.edu Thu Oct 23 05:56:53 2008 From: a-dandrea at uchicago.edu (Anthony D'Andrea) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] Book "Global Nomads" Message-ID: <52420.39781.qm@web45704.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Graham and Hildegonda for your nice words about my work. Indeed, a writer should negotiate a good book contract. At the same time, I'd not characterize academic publishers as villains either. They are also under terrible constrains. A good publication strategy would include a variety of channels anyway: academic articles, elite books, popular pieces, blogs, novels (and, of course, a nice movie trilogy...). Graham and I already have some stuff out there for free. And revolution didn't come... Such "elite" book publications must be seen as strategical interventions. For example, in the case of "Global Nomads", not only the offer came from Routledge, but particularly so from its premium series "International Library of Sociology". Mind you, the series was originally founded by Karl Mannheim, and is now directed by John Urry. As I was told, the editorial board rejected 50 other monographs before accepting mine. Now, putting my little shiny ego aside, a book about "hippies" appearing in one of the most prestigious book series in history actually is a victory for countercultures: something meaningful that we should all be celebrating... What Graham and I are now trying to do is to gather some classroom/grassroots information that would perhaps make some of these exclusive publications a bit more accessible to a larger audience. But that seems to be as difficult! Yet, if a pop book never comes about, then maybe that's because publishers are right in that people are not too interested in such subversive matters... Anthony "If I can't dance, it is not my revolution." (Emma Goldman) ____________________________________________________________ Anthony Fischer D'Andrea, PhD http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre http://globalraver.blogspot.com/ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:52:01 +0100 From: Hillegonda Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Book "Global Nomads" To: Graham St John Cc: dancecult-l at listcultures.org Message-ID: <48FCA921.8060608 at zoo.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, At least Routledge and Sage are excellent additions to your CV, unlike some other publishers. Their academic track record and international status is valued by research publication audits. And having published with them would put more weight to future contract negotiations. When you sign a contract, just read through it carefully, making sure you keep your copyright, otherwise you would not be allowed to republish your work. Also, you could specify that paperback is a required format and see where it gets you. Many people simply sign, but it is your right to negotiate any aspect in the contract. And, especially watch out with US contracts. In one I was presented with it was even suggested that copyright was retained by the publisher for any future format (comparable to a recording contract), including film scripts! A film script may sound far-fetched, but blockbuster 'Saturday Night Fever' was based on an ethnography of working class Italian-American dance culture. It may be useful if a publisher could negotiate exploitation of various formats on your behalf, but not if they own 100% of your copyright. Hillegonda Graham St John wrote: > Hi Geert > > Yes it was a painful result - of course - but its easy to judge in > hindsight when, at least in my case, this was the ONLY option to get > this material published at the time. No other publisher wanted to > touch it, whereas I suppose if it was a book about jazz or Bob Dylan > or the Internet it might have been jumped on, and besides, all the > contributors (many graduate students at the time!) at least > potentially benefit in their own institutional/academic point scoring > systems. Yes its sickening how academic publishers routinely prey on > our vulnerabilities given the pressures to be published. They know > it, and they arent making it any easier. Tony's book also deserves so > much better. > > I do recommend that anyone new to signing a publishing contract seek > good advice in advance. > > Graham - whose determined to have the last laugh. > > At 9:27 AM +0200 10/19/08, Geert Lovink wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I am really sorry to address this but I think you both made the >> wrong book deals. In essence this is a collective concern but you as >> an author also play a role in this. >> >> I think your work is great and needs to read by many people! >> >> Do not work with Sage and Routledge under these circumstances... >> they are amongst the worst. >> >> For the moment: put the content on the Internet anyway and just what >> happens. That's maybe the way to go right now. >> >> Best, Geert >> >> >> On 18 Oct 2008, at 10:03 PM, Anthony D'Andrea wrote: >> >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> My book "Global Nomads: Techno and New Age as Transnational >>> Countercultures in Ibiza and Goa" (2007, Routledge International >>> Library of Sociology) is in a similar situation to Graham's book. >>> >>> If you plan or would like to adopt my book in your classes (or know >>> of some colleague who would), would you be so kind to forward this, >>> or let me know about your interest and, if possible, send me some >>> information, such as class name, estimated number of students, >>> institution, period, etc?... >>> >>> The press' link for the book: >>> http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 >>> >>> Your help is greatly appreciated - and the mass of disenfranchised >>> readers appreciates that too! Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> >>> "The nomad does not move." (Deleuze & Guattari) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Anthony Fischer D'Andrea, PhD >>> >>> http://home.uchicago.edu/~afdandre >>> http://globalraver.blogspot.com/ >>> http://www.routledge.com/books/Global-Nomads-isbn9780415420136 >>> >>> >>> --- On Sat, 10/18/08, dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: Graham St John >>>> Subject: [Dancecult-l] Rave Culture and Religion >>>> To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> >>>> >>>> In 2004 I published my edited collection Rave Culture and >>>> Religion: >>>> http://www.edgecentral.net/rcr.htm >>>> >>>> As the book is only available as a hardback (or ebook) >>>> which >>>> Routledge pushes to libraries, it is expensive. It is very >>>> popular >>>> with libraries, but as a result this is the only way most >>>> people >>>> (including students) can access the book. >>>> >>>> In an effort to convince Routledge to release it as a >>>> cheaper >>>> softback (and thus make more accessible to students) this >>>> coming >>>> year, i am seeking some useful information. >>>> >>>> If you are running a course, or know someone who is running >>>> a course >>>> who might want to use the book as a text could you please >>>> let me know >>>> the course details. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Graham >>>> >>>>