From g.stjohn at warpmail.net Wed Jul 1 01:51:38 2009 From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net (Graham St John) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:51:38 -0600 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dancecult archives Message-ID: Can I please remind list members that the archives of this list are not restricted to members only, and that they are thus web searchable. This has been the circumstance since the doors opened here at Dancecult which is a public unrestricted mailing list for an international research network. I would like to take the opportunity to gauge list members feelings about maintaining the archives as they are at present accessible to non-members and web searchable. Do people, for instance, feel that the unrestricted and non-exclusive archive limits their contribution to this list? Graham From g.stjohn at warpmail.net Wed Jul 1 02:09:53 2009 From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net (Graham St John) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:09:53 -0600 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Fwd: Re: Archiv der Rave- und Clubkutlur/ Archive of Rave and Club Culture Message-ID: from Sean Nye > > >Dear Dancecult Friends and Colleagues, > >The Archive of Youth Cultures in Berlin and the >Chair for General Sociology at the Technical >University Dortmund are pleased to officially >announce our project "The Archive of Rave and >Club Culture." A word file of the full press >release is attached to this mail and included >below. The website link of our project is >www.jugendkulturen.de/index.html?projekte.html; >the full press releases (in English or German) >can also be downloaded via the website. > >Please forward the link to appropriate contacts, >personal friends, and institutions. >Thanks you for your support. We are looking >forward to seeing how much material we can >collect in this coming year. > >Best wishes, > >Sean Nye > >Sean Nye - Archiv der Jugendkulturen e.V. >Fidicinstra?e 3, 10965 Berlin >Tel.: Country code: (49) 30/6942934 >sean.nye at jugendkulturen.de > >Berlin. June 25, 2009 > > > > >An Archive of Rave and Club Culture. >A project by the Berlin Archive of Youth >Cultures (Archiv der Jugendkulturen e.V.) and >the chair for general sociology at the Technical >University Dortmund. > >On the occasion the 20-year anniversary of the >Love Parade, Sean Nye from the Berlin Archive >Youth Cultures together with Professor Ronald >Hitzler from the techno archive at the Technical >University Dortmund are pleased to announce an >initiative during 2009, to expand and centralize >their collection in Berlin. > >Rave and club culture has existed for more than >two decades. It has long since moved out of the >subcultural shadows of the basement and >warehouse raves and has since become a global >phenomenon. Although its exciting history >constantly grows in complexity, there still >exists no central archive, where the development >and history of the scene is documented and >preserved. The goal of the archive is to >establish a central collection for scholarly >research on the history of the scene, which will >be made public and accessible as a meeting point >for researchers, journalists, musicians, fans >and other interested parties. In this regard, >the focus of the archive is not only techno, as >the most popular and general genre for >electronic dance music. Rather, we seek to >document the entire history and variety of >electronic dance music with its various >subscenes and genres: House, Trance, Drum & >Bass, Electro, Gabber, IDM, Industrial, EBM, Goa >and much more. > >The collection already consists of more than >3,000 rave and club fanzines, primarily major >German fanzines (for example, Frontpage, >Partysan, De:bug, Groove, Raveline, etc.). It >also includes a press archive with thousands of >articles from newspapers, magazines, and other >print media, academic research (bachelor, master >and doctoral projects), books, as well as >thousands of flyers, posters and other objects. >The archive has set a goal to expand this >collection considerably with the help of labels, >scene activists, and fans. We ask for you help >through material and financial support in order >to personally contribute to the construction of >this archive. > >For the coming year the Archive has set the following goals: > > > >1. The expansion of the book and fanzine >collections: The collection of significant >German-language and international fanzines, >books, academic papers, and media articles >should be completed. A list of the current book >and fanzines collections can be sent upon >request. > > > >2. The expansion of the media collections: A >comprehensive collection of films and >documentaries, music videos, TV-reports and >concert films that deal with rave and club >culture needs to be gathered. This includes >recordings of radio interviews, DJ-sets and >concerts, among others. Our collections of >posters and flyers also needs to be expanded. A >list of our current collection of video >materials can be sent upon request. > > > >3. The development of a representative musical >archive: This is the most challenging goal of >the archive, and it demands the greatest support >from volunteers. We call upon labels as well as >collectors and private persons to participate in >the construction of such a collection. Above >all, donations of musical recordings are needed. >We ask music labels to send copies of their >future releases to the archive; available copies >of major releases from back catalogues would >also be much appreciated. All material forms of >musical releases are included in this request: >cassettes, records, CDs and other formats. Due >to the enormous number of musical releases, our >focus at this stage remains on a representative > >archive: that means, on releases with either a >significant musical or commercial impact on the >scene. > > > >4. To promote the archive: The archive's work >and research should be made better known through >the cooperation of well-known scene >personalities (artists and DJs) and institutions >(media, labels and promoters). Events should not >only promote the archive, but also help raise >money for the development of the archive. > > >ENDOWMENT > >On account of the Archive of Youth Cultures' >lack of regular financial backing (rent, job >salaries, etc), we are currently planning the >founding of a general endowment, in order to >secure the archive's work for the long term. The >Archive of Rave and Club Culture currently under >development would be an important component of >this endowment. To establish this foundation, >50.000 Euros are still in need of collection. > >Always available for questions and further information: > >Sean Nye >Curator of the Archive of Rave and Club Culture >Archiv der Jugendkulturen e.V. >Fidicinstra?e 3, 10965 Berlin >Tel: 030/6942934 >sean.nye at jugendkulturen.de >www.jugendkulturen.de > >Tours of the archive are also possible. >More information can be found under www.jugendkulturen.de > >Membership: > >For an annual sum of only 48 Euros, you could >support the social work and documentation that >the Archive of Youth Cultures offers. You will >be part of a creative and scholarly network that >at the same time continues to develop a >comprehensive library on the topic of youth and >subcultures. As a member, you will receive an >issue of the Journal of Youth Cultures as well >as two books of your choice from our annual >publications. > >Further information: www.jugendkulturen.de > >About the Archive of Youth Cultures: > >The Berlin Archive of Youth Cultures (in >Germany, an officially registered association) >was founded in 1998. It collects - as the only >institution of its kind in Europe - above all >authentic documents from youth cultures >themselves (fanzines, flyers, music, etc.), but >also scholarly and academic papers, news >reports, etc. The archive offers these free of >cost for research and for public use in its 300 >square-meter-large library and archive spaces. >In addition, the Archive of Youth Cultures >carries out its own research on youth scenes, >and works with institutions, communes and >associations. It offers 120 school project >events and adult education services annually and >publishes its own journal - Journal der >Jugendkulturen (The Journal of Youth Cultures) - >as well as a book series, publishing six new >books annually. The Archive of Youth Cultures is >in this respect always interested in obtaining >appropriate documents and materials in all >forms. The majority of the archive's employees >work on a volunteer basis. > > >About Professor Ronald Hitzler: >Professorship of General Sociology at the >Technical University Dortmund. Longtime >Rresearcher of youth scenes with personal >specialization in the techno scene. Founder and >ofi Co-editor of the volume Techno-Soziologie: >Erkundungen einer Jugendkultur >(Techno-Sociology: Investigations in a Youth >Culture) (Opladen: Leske + Budrich, 2001). Also >the founder of jugendszenen.com and co-Editor of >the volume Leben in Szenen: Formern jugendlicher >Vergemeinschaftung heute (Life in Scenes: Forms >of Youth Socialization Today) (Wiesbaden: VS >Verlag f?r Sozialwissenschaften, 2005). More >information at www.hitzler-soziologie.de > >About Sean Nye: >PhD-Student in Comparative Studies in Discourse >and Society (Minors in Music and German Studies) >at the University of Minnesota since 2004. >DAAD-research fellow in the Popular Music >Research-Centre at Humboldt University Berlin >(2008-09). Research scholar in the Berlin >Program for Advanced German and European >Studies, Free University Berlin (2009-10). Since >2008 curator of the techno and gothic scene >collections at the Archive of Youth Cultures. > >Our partners include the following institutions/artists: > >Ad Noiseam Records (Electronic Music Label, Berlin) >Adam X (Producer/DJ, NYC-Berlin) >Atom TM (Uwe Schmidt, Producer, Frankfurt/Santiago) >Club Transmediale, Fesitval For Adventurous >Music and Related Visual Arts (Berlin) >Dense Records (Record Store, Berlin) >DJ T (House/Techno DJ, Journalist and Founder of >Groove Magazine, Frankfurt/Berlin) >Groove (Fanzine, Berlin) >Hecq (IDM Producer, Berlin) >Oliver Lieb (Producer/DJ, Frankfurt) >PARTYSAN (German and International Fanzine) >Pearls Booking (DJ booking agent, Berlin) >rock'n'popmuseum (museum for pop music history, Gronau) >Simon Reynolds (English Journalist, Author of >Energy Flash: A Journey Through Rave Music and >Dance Culture) > >We appreciate any form of assistance and look >forward to more official partnerships! > > >Dear Graham, >Thanks for your note. Sorry it has taken this >long to reply. Below is the English letter and >full press release (I include a Word document >attachment of the press release as well). I >wasn't sure how this message could be sent to >the Dancecult-I List. Could you forward it to >this list? If there is somewhere to include the >project text on the Dancecult website or offer a >link to , I'd appreciate it. >Best wishes, >Sean > >--Boundary_(ID_FQUvqSFa9MiOoEvAaMzmcA) >Content-Type: text/plain; name="Rave u Club - >Englisch.doc" ; x-mac-type="5738424E" ; >x-mac-creator="4D535744" Content-Disposition: >attachment; filename="Rave u Club - >Englisch.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: >imap_stub 0,63839,2.2,43442,0, > > >On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Graham St John wrote: > >>Hi Sean >> >>All the best with this exciting project You >>should definitely send this message to the >>Dancecult-l list. Please include the engish >>version in the email itself, rather than as an >>attachment. >> >>Graham >> > > >Dear Dancecult Friends and Colleagues, > >The Archive of Youth Cultures in Berlin and the >Chair for General Sociology at the Technical >University Dortmund are pleased to officially >announce our project "The Archive of Rave and >Club Culture." A word file of the full press >release is attached to this mail and included >below. The website link of our project is >www.jugendkulturen.de/index.html?projekte.html; >the full press releases (in English or German) >can also be downloaded via the website. > >Please forward the link to appropriate contacts, >personal friends, and institutions. >Thanks you for your support. We are looking >forward to seeing how much material we can >collect in this coming year. > >Best wishes, > >Sean Nye > >Sean Nye - Archiv der Jugendkulturen e.V. >Fidicinstra?e 3, 10965 Berlin >Tel.: Country code: (49) 30/6942934 >sean.nye at jugendkulturen.de > > >Berlin. June 25, 2009 > > > > >An Archive of Rave and Club Culture. >A project by the Berlin Archive of Youth >Cultures (Archiv der Jugendkulturen e.V.) and >the chair for general sociology at the Technical >University Dortmund. > >On the occasion the 20-year anniversary of the >Love Parade, Sean Nye from the Berlin Archive >Youth Cultures together with Professor Ronald >Hitzler from the techno archive at the Technical >University Dortmund are pleased to announce an >initiative during 2009, to expand and centralize >their collection in Berlin. > >Rave and club culture has existed for more than >two decades. It has long since moved out of the >subcultural shadows of the basement and >warehouse raves and has since become a global >phenomenon. Although its exciting history >constantly grows in complexity, there still >exists no central archive, where the development >and history of the scene is documented and >preserved. The goal of the archive is to >establish a central collection for scholarly >research on the history of the scene, which will >be made public and accessible as a meeting point >for researchers, journalists, musicians, fans >and other interested parties. In this regard, >the focus of the archive is not only techno, as >the most popular and general genre for >electronic dance music. Rather, we seek to >document the entire history and variety of >electronic dance music with its various >subscenes and genres: House, Trance, Drum & >Bass, Electro, Gabber, IDM, Industrial, EBM, Goa >and much more. > >The collection already consists of more than >3,000 rave and club fanzines, primarily major >German fanzines (for example, Frontpage, >Partysan, De:bug, Groove, Raveline, etc.). It >also includes a press archive with thousands of >articles from newspapers, magazines, and other >print media, academic research (bachelor, master >and doctoral projects), books, as well as >thousands of flyers, posters and other objects. >The archive has set a goal to expand this >collection considerably with the help of labels, >scene activists, and fans. We ask for you help >through material and financial support in order >to personally contribute to the construction of >this archive. > >For the coming year the Archive has set the following goals: > > > >1. The expansion of the book and fanzine >collections: The collection of significant >German-language and international fanzines, >books, academic papers, and media articles >should be completed. A list of the current book >and fanzines collections can be sent upon >request. > > > >2. The expansion of the media collections: A >comprehensive collection of films and >documentaries, music videos, TV-reports and >concert films that deal with rave and club >culture needs to be gathered. This includes >recordings of radio interviews, DJ-sets and >concerts, among others. Our collections of >posters and flyers also needs to be expanded. A >list of our current collection of video >materials can be sent upon request. > > > >3. The development of a representative musical >archive: This is the most challenging goal of >the archive, and it demands the greatest support >from volunteers. We call upon labels as well as >collectors and private persons to participate in >the construction of such a collection. Above >all, donations of musical recordings are needed. >We ask music labels to send copies of their >future releases to the archive; available copies >of major releases from back catalogues would >also be much appreciated. All material forms of >musical releases are included in this request: >cassettes, records, CDs and other formats. Due >to the enormous number of musical releases, our >focus at this stage remains on a representative > >archive: that means, on releases with either a >significant musical or commercial impact on the >scene. > > > >4. To promote the archive: The archive's work >and research should be made better known through >the cooperation of well-known scene >personalities (artists and DJs) and institutions >(media, labels and promoters). Events should not >only promote the archive, but also help raise >money for the development of the archive. > > >ENDOWMENT > >On account of the Archive of Youth Cultures' >lack of regular financial backing (rent, job >salaries, etc), we are currently planning the >founding of a general endowment, in order to >secure the archive's work for the long term. The >Archive of Rave and Club Culture currently under >development would be an important component of >this endowment. To establish this foundation, >50.000 Euros are still in need of collection. > >Always available for questions and further information: > >Sean Nye >Curator of the Archive of Rave and Club Culture >Archiv der Jugendkulturen e.V. >Fidicinstra?e 3, 10965 Berlin >Tel: 030/6942934 >sean.nye at jugendkulturen.de >www.jugendkulturen.de > >Tours of the archive are also possible. >More information can be found under >www.jugendkulturen.de > >Membership: > >For an annual sum of only 48 Euros, you could >support the social work and documentation that >the Archive of Youth Cultures offers. You will >be part of a creative and scholarly network that >at the same time continues to develop a >comprehensive library on the topic of youth and >subcultures. As a member, you will receive an >issue of the Journal of Youth Cultures as well >as two books of your choice from our annual >publications. > >Further information: www.jugendkulturen.de > >About the Archive of Youth Cultures: > >The Berlin Archive of Youth Cultures (in >Germany, an officially registered association) >was founded in 1998. It collects - as the only >institution of its kind in Europe - above all >authentic documents from youth cultures >themselves (fanzines, flyers, music, etc.), but >also scholarly and academic papers, news >reports, etc. The archive offers these free of >cost for research and for public use in its 300 >square-meter-large library and archive spaces. >In addition, the Archive of Youth Cultures >carries out its own research on youth scenes, >and works with institutions, communes and >associations. It offers 120 school project >events and adult education services annually and >publishes its own journal - Journal der >Jugendkulturen (The Journal of Youth Cultures) - >as well as a book series, publishing six new >books annually. The Archive of Youth Cultures is >in this respect always interested in obtaining >appropriate documents and materials in all >forms. The majority of the archive's employees >work on a volunteer basis. > > >About Professor Ronald Hitzler: >Professorship of General Sociology at the >Technical University Dortmund. Longtime >Rresearcher of youth scenes with personal >specialization in the techno scene. Founder and >ofi Co-editor of the volume Techno-Soziologie: >Erkundungen einer Jugendkultur >(Techno-Sociology: Investigations in a Youth >Culture) (Opladen: Leske + Budrich, 2001). Also >the founder of jugendszenen.com and co-Editor of >the volume Leben in Szenen: Formern jugendlicher >Vergemeinschaftung heute (Life in Scenes: Forms >of Youth Socialization Today) (Wiesbaden: VS >Verlag f?r Sozialwissenschaften, 2005). More >information at >www.hitzler-soziologie.de > >About Sean Nye: >PhD-Student in Comparative Studies in Discourse >and Society (Minors in Music and German Studies) >at the University of Minnesota since 2004. >DAAD-research fellow in the Popular Music >Research-Centre at Humboldt University Berlin >(2008-09). Research scholar in the Berlin >Program for Advanced German and European >Studies, Free University Berlin (2009-10). Since >2008 curator of the techno and gothic scene >collections at the Archive of Youth Cultures. > >Our partners include the following institutions/artists: > >Ad Noiseam Records (Electronic Music Label, Berlin) >Adam X (Producer/DJ, NYC-Berlin) >Atom TM (Uwe Schmidt, Producer, Frankfurt/Santiago) >Club Transmediale, Fesitval For Adventurous >Music and Related Visual Arts (Berlin) >Dense Records (Record Store, Berlin) >DJ T (House/Techno DJ, Journalist and Founder of >Groove Magazine, Frankfurt/Berlin) >Groove (Fanzine, Berlin) >Hecq (IDM Producer, Berlin) >Oliver Lieb (Producer/DJ, Frankfurt) >PARTYSAN (German and International Fanzine) >Pearls Booking (DJ booking agent, Berlin) >rock'n'popmuseum (museum for pop music history, Gronau) >Simon Reynolds (English Journalist, Author of >Energy Flash: A Journey Through Rave Music and >Dance Culture) > >We appreciate any form of assistance and look >forward to more official partnerships! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at intertheory.org Fri Jul 3 04:44:50 2009 From: editor at intertheory.org (Nicholas Ruiz III) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] put your theory where your praxis is Message-ID: <448077.17349.qm@web306.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings all! Happy Independence Day weekend! In the name of putting my theory where my praxis is - I am running for Congress in 2010, FL District 24...tell your friends and neighbors! http://intertheory.org/nriiiforcongress2010.html ...and an Independence Day gift: Bjork - Declare Independence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igOWR_-BXJU pax et lux, NRIII Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org From e_j_montano at hotmail.com Fri Jul 3 11:39:10 2009 From: e_j_montano at hotmail.com (Ed Montano) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:39:10 +1000 Subject: [Dancecult-l] FW: Dancecult archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Graham, Keep it as unrestricted, that would be my opinion. Certainly doesn't limit my contribution, although I haven't been part of the list for that long. The more things that are open-access / unrestricted / etc, the better, I think... Ed > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:51:38 -0600 > To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net > Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dancecult archives > > > Can I please remind list members that the archives of this list are > not restricted to members only, and that they are thus web > searchable. This has been the circumstance since the doors opened > here at Dancecult which is a public unrestricted mailing list for an > international research network. > > I would like to take the opportunity to gauge list members feelings > about maintaining the archives as they are at present accessible to > non-members and web searchable. > > Do people, for instance, feel that the unrestricted and non-exclusive > archive limits their contribution to this list? > > Graham > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this winter? _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn?property http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aliak77 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 11:44:08 2009 From: aliak77 at gmail.com (Kath O'Donnell) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:44:08 +1000 Subject: [Dancecult-l] FW: Dancecult archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383607190907030244w1314e1a9n5312fcfcee0dbbc0@mail.gmail.com> it's fine as is. I don't feel it limits my contributions (which are small anyway). but I'm not publishing academic papers so I'm not sure if that's an issue. >> >> Do people, for instance, feel that the unrestricted and non-exclusive >> archive limits their contribution to this list? >> From wthamyris at yahoo.com Sat Jul 4 05:17:12 2009 From: wthamyris at yahoo.com (Thamyris Winberg) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] privacy on dancecult Message-ID: <303764.86847.qm@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just to clarify what websearchable means. If someone (your employer, your family, your colleagues, etc. . .) does a google or other search on your email handle or email address (or real name, if it is included in that address), your correspondence on DanceCult will come up. This means that whenever you converse on DanceCult you publish for the world under your own identity, unless you use and have used an anonymous email address and handle. In other words, the present system is a model of public transparency. There are also more alternatives than making the list accessible to members only, although they might take doing. Another alternative would be to still have a publically downloadable archive that is 'not' websearchable in all its details (many listserves have gone this way). The downside being that people doing websearches on particular topics will not come upon the archives, unless they seek them out. So yet another alternative, probably impossible given the setting, would be to have archives that scramble exact emails and personal headings, but leave the dialogue intact. Since I for one am unlikely to consistently use an anonymous secondary email (like the one I just opened to send this message) just for dancecult, and since I don't really want my dance-cult correspondence to come up on websearches under my name, I for one, am dissuaded from using the service more on account of the present privacy setting. 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If someone (your > employer, your family, your colleagues, etc. . .) does a google > or other search on your email handle or email address (or real > name, if it is included in that address), your correspondence on > DanceCult will come up.? This means that whenever you > converse on DanceCult you publish for the world under your own > identity, unless you use and have used an anonymous email > address and handle. In other words, the present system is a > model of public transparency. > > There are also more alternatives than making the list accessible > to members only, although they might take doing.? Another > alternative > would be to still have a publically downloadable archive that is > 'not' websearchable in all its details (many listserves have > gone this way). The downside being that people doing websearches > on particular topics will not come upon the archives, unless > they seek them out.? So yet another alternative, probably > impossible given the setting, would be to have archives that > scramble exact emails and personal headings, but leave the > dialogue intact. > > Since I for one am unlikely to consistently use an anonymous > secondary email (like the one I just opened to send this > message) just for dancecult, and since I don't really want my > dance-cult correspondence to come up on websearches under my > name, I for one, am dissuaded from using the service more on > account of the present privacy setting. > > Cheers All, > TW > > > ????? Amparo Las?n Dpto Sociolog?a I Facultad de Ciencias Pol?ticas y Sociolog?a UCM Campus de Somosaguas Pozuelo de Alarc?n 28223 0034913942899 alasen at cps.ucm.es -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Sat Jul 4 11:21:15 2009 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:21:15 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] FW: Dancecult archives In-Reply-To: <383607190907030244w1314e1a9n5312fcfcee0dbbc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <383607190907030244w1314e1a9n5312fcfcee0dbbc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4F1F0B.6060309@zoo.co.uk> Yes, I agree. In addition, it makes it onto an established database and it gives the forum a higher chance of being found by interested researchers. Gonnie Kath O'Donnell wrote: > it's fine as is. I don't feel it limits my contributions (which are > small anyway). but I'm not publishing academic papers so I'm not sure > if that's an issue. > > >>> Do people, for instance, feel that the unrestricted and non-exclusive >>> archive limits their contribution to this list? >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Sat Jul 4 11:29:47 2009 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:29:47 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] privacy on dancecult In-Reply-To: <303764.86847.qm@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <303764.86847.qm@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A4F210B.1040804@zoo.co.uk> Hi Thamyris, Thank you for the illuminating explanation. Since this forum is about research and not about personal matters, this seems to pose hardly any problems. My employers would be delighted to see that I'm actively engaging in my research activities, so the current privacy settings seems a bonus in this scenario. In addition, the fact that this archive is open access means that we communicate in an appropriately mutually respectful manner in intelligent debate regarding the matter at hand. Regards, Gonnie Thamyris Winberg wrote: > Just to clarify what websearchable means. If someone (your employer, > your family, your colleagues, etc. . .) does a google or other search > on your email handle or email address (or real name, if it is included > in that address), your correspondence on DanceCult will come up. This > means that whenever you converse on DanceCult you publish for the > world under your own identity, unless you use and have used > an anonymous email address and handle. In other words, the present > system is a model of public transparency. > > There are also more alternatives than making the list accessible to > members only, although they might take doing. Another alternative > would be to still have a publically downloadable archive that is 'not' > websearchable in all its details (many listserves have gone this way). > The downside being that people doing websearches on particular topics > will not come upon the archives, unless they seek them out. So yet > another alternative, probably impossible given the setting, would be > to have archives that scramble exact emails and personal headings, but > leave the dialogue intact. > > Since I for one am unlikely to consistently use an anonymous secondary > email (like the one I just opened to send this message) just for > dancecult, and since I don't really want my dance-cult correspondence > to come up on websearches under my name, I for one, am dissuaded from > using the service more on account of the present privacy setting. > > Cheers All, > TW > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net From wayneandwax at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 14:39:52 2009 From: wayneandwax at gmail.com (wayne marshall) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Dancecult-l] privacy on dancecult In-Reply-To: <4A4F210B.1040804@zoo.co.uk> References: <303764.86847.qm@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A4F210B.1040804@zoo.co.uk> Message-ID: I have to second Gonnie's thoughts here. I think it's quite important -- imperative even -- to keep the archives open, searchable, and accessible, especially given the general interest in the topic(s) at hand. Best, Wayne On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Hillegonda wrote: > Hi Thamyris, > > Thank you for the illuminating explanation. Since this forum is about > research and not about personal matters, this seems to pose hardly any > problems. My employers would be delighted to see that I'm actively engaging > in my research activities, so the current privacy settings seems a bonus in > this scenario. > > In addition, the fact that this archive is open access means that we > communicate in an appropriately mutually respectful manner in intelligent > debate regarding the matter at hand. > > Regards, > Gonnie > > > > Thamyris Winberg wrote: > >> Just to clarify what websearchable means. If someone (your employer, your >> family, your colleagues, etc. . .) does a google or other search on your >> email handle or email address (or real name, if it is included in that >> address), your correspondence on DanceCult will come up. This means that >> whenever you converse on DanceCult you publish for the world under your own >> identity, unless you use and have used an anonymous email address and >> handle. In other words, the present system is a model of public >> transparency. >> There are also more alternatives than making the list accessible to >> members only, although they might take doing. Another alternative would be >> to still have a publically downloadable archive that is 'not' websearchable >> in all its details (many listserves have gone this way). The downside being >> that people doing websearches on particular topics will not come upon the >> archives, unless they seek them out. So yet another alternative, probably >> impossible given the setting, would be to have archives that scramble exact >> emails and personal headings, but leave the dialogue intact. >> Since I for one am unlikely to consistently use an anonymous secondary >> email (like the one I just opened to send this message) just for dancecult, >> and since I don't really want my dance-cult correspondence to come up on >> websearches under my name, I for one, am dissuaded from using the service >> more on account of the present privacy setting. >> >> Cheers All, TW >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theluisgarcia at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 15:14:15 2009 From: theluisgarcia at gmail.com (Luis-Manuel Garcia) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:14:15 +0200 Subject: [Dancecult-l] privacy on dancecult In-Reply-To: References: <303764.86847.qm@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4A4F210B.1040804@zoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi all, Sorry for my radio silence on this list during this past year; my excuse is that it has been a fieldwork year, and EDM fieldwork can be exhausting. Anyway, I'm also in agreement with Gonnie and Wayne regarding the privacy settings of this list. As I understand it, the primary goal of this list is to provide a discursive space where a network of dance-music scholars can develop and support each other's work. There are plenty of other mailing lists / yahoo groups / ResidentAdvisor or mnml.nl boards where people can congregate as fans, participants, promoters, and performers, so I understand that the distinguishing characteristic of this list is its scholarly / academic discursive register. I took it as implicit that a scholarly register requires "publication" in some strong sense?that is: 1) clear identification of contributors with institutional affiliations; 2) exposure to the analysis and critique of one's peers and colleagues; 3) a persistent, accessible form of documentation that allows future and "outside" scholars to also learn from our work. I understand that this limits what can be "safely" disclosed on this list, especially since many of us work on musical scenes where illicit and/or salacious activities can form part of the culture (e.g., drug use, organizing events without proper permits, darkrooms/backrooms), but these are the same limits that we would have to put on ourselves when publishing our work into journals and books. So I see this as an extension of the scholarly register onto the internet, rather than a collective blog/diary/social network. cheers from sunny Paris, Luis-Manuel Garcia PhD Candidate, Ethnomusicology University of Chicago On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, wayne marshall wrote: > I have to second Gonnie's thoughts here. I think it's quite important -- > imperative even -- to keep the archives open, searchable, and accessible, > especially given the general interest in the topic(s) at hand. > > Best, > Wayne > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Hillegonda wrote: > >> Hi Thamyris, >> >> Thank you for the illuminating explanation. Since this forum is about >> research and not about personal matters, this seems to pose hardly any >> problems. My employers would be delighted to see that I'm actively engaging >> in my research activities, so the current privacy settings seems a bonus in >> this scenario. >> >> In addition, the fact that this archive is open access means that we >> communicate in an appropriately mutually respectful manner in intelligent >> debate regarding the matter at hand. >> >> Regards, >> Gonnie >> >> >> >> Thamyris Winberg wrote: >> >>> Just to clarify what websearchable means. If someone (your employer, your >>> family, your colleagues, etc. . .) does a google or other search on your >>> email handle or email address (or real name, if it is included in that >>> address), your correspondence on DanceCult will come up. This means that >>> whenever you converse on DanceCult you publish for the world under your own >>> identity, unless you use and have used an anonymous email address and >>> handle. In other words, the present system is a model of public >>> transparency. >>> There are also more alternatives than making the list accessible to >>> members only, although they might take doing. Another alternative would be >>> to still have a publically downloadable archive that is 'not' websearchable >>> in all its details (many listserves have gone this way). The downside being >>> that people doing websearches on particular topics will not come upon the >>> archives, unless they seek them out. So yet another alternative, probably >>> impossible given the setting, would be to have archives that scramble exact >>> emails and personal headings, but leave the dialogue intact. >>> Since I for one am unlikely to consistently use an anonymous secondary >>> email (like the one I just opened to send this message) just for dancecult, >>> and since I don't really want my dance-cult correspondence to come up on >>> websearches under my name, I for one, am dissuaded from using the service >>> more on account of the present privacy setting. >>> >>> Cheers All, TW >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>> No commercial use without permission >>> www.dancecult.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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