From e_j_montano at hotmail.com Fri Jun 5 09:01:18 2009 From: e_j_montano at hotmail.com (Ed Montano) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:01:18 +0000 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon Message-ID: Hi all, Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music canon. 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I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music canon. Thanks, Ed ________________________________ Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this winter? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Dance music canon (Nicholas Ruiz III) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nicholas Ruiz III > Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > To: dancecult-l at listcultures.org > Message-ID: <587518.91993.qm at web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the top > five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? > > pax et lux > > nick > > Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D > Editor, Kritikos > http://intertheory.org > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ed Montano > To: dancecult-l at listcultures.org > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM > Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > > Hi all, > > Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been > written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is > lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach > Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... > > I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the past > couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or "anthems", > and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While this is > probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same old > stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon > emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music > canon. > > Thanks, > Ed > > ________________________________ > Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this > winter? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://listcultures.org/pipermail/dancecult-l_listcultures.org/attachments/20090605/294d8e40/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > > > End of Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2 > ****************************************** > -- ============================ Kat Loughrey Facebook: Kat Loughrey Facebook group: inthemix - Melbourne Follow me on Twitter: Kat_Loughrey Follow ITM on Twitter: inthemix_com_au MySpace: www.myspace.com.au/katloughrey Postal: PO Box 1317, HAWKSBURN VIC 3142 Mob: 0419 756 647 ============================ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From editor at intertheory.org Sat Jun 6 13:51:41 2009 From: editor at intertheory.org (Nicholas Ruiz III) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 04:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <2ac9c0540906060306w557976dfn4b9a1d2ec3cb08dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ac9c0540906060306w557976dfn4b9a1d2ec3cb08dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <345360.95065.qm@web306.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ok - how about ATB - 9pm (Till I Come) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzFnKNuhlFI Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org ________________________________ From: Katrina Loughrey To: dancecult-l at listcultures.org Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 6:06:57 AM Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2 For An Angel - Paul Van Dyk It has to be one of the top 5! Cheers, Katrina Loughrey On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM, wrote: Send Dancecult-l mailing list submissions to dancecult-l at listcultures.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org You can reach the person managing the list at dancecult-l-owner at listcultures.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Dancecult-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dance music canon (Nicholas Ruiz III) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Ruiz III Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon To: dancecult-l at listcultures.org Message-ID: <587518.91993.qm at web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? pax et lux nick Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org ________________________________ From: Ed Montano To: dancecult-l at listcultures.org Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon Hi all, Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music canon. Thanks, Ed ________________________________ Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this winter? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Sat Jun 6 16:49:37 2009 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:49:37 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: <587518.91993.qm@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <587518.91993.qm@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2A8201.8000401@zoo.co.uk> Here a little historical Top 5: Kraftwerk. ?Trans-Europe Express?, 1977. KLF. ?What Time is Love (Pure Trance 1)?, 1988. Aphex Twin. 'Didgeridoo'. 1992 Hardfloor. ?Hardtrance Acperiance 1?. 1992. Hallucinogen. 'LSD'. 1995. Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: > not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the > top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? > > pax et lux > > nick > Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D > Editor, Kritikos > http://intertheory.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ed Montano > *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org > *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM > *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > > Hi all, > > Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been > written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know > there is lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, > Beatles, Beach Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm > not so sure... > > I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the > past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or > "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. > While this is probably just the music industry packaging and > re-packaging the same old stuff over and over, I think there is some > kind of dance music canon emerging... or at least a commercial, > Ministry of Sound-created dance music canon. > > Thanks, > Ed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this > winter? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Sat Jun 6 17:07:55 2009 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: <4A2A8201.8000401@zoo.co.uk> References: <587518.91993.qm@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2A8201.8000401@zoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A2A864B.4060902@zoo.co.uk> PS/ this is NOT a dance music canon though, only the trajectory that leads to contemporary trance, to which we should also add: Phuture 'Acid Tracks', 1987. Hillegonda wrote: > > Here a little historical Top 5: > > Kraftwerk. ?Trans-Europe Express?, 1977. > > KLF. ?What Time is Love (Pure Trance 1)?, 1988. > > Aphex Twin. 'Didgeridoo'. 1992 > > Hardfloor. ?Hardtrance Acperiance 1?. 1992. > > Hallucinogen. 'LSD'. 1995. > > > > > > > > > Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, >> the top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >> >> pax et lux >> >> nick >> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >> Editor, Kritikos >> http://intertheory.org >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Ed Montano >> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >> >> Hi all, >> >> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has >> been written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I >> know there is lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic >> albums, Beatles, Beach Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance >> music I'm not so sure... >> >> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the >> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or >> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. >> While this is probably just the music industry packaging and >> re-packaging the same old stuff over and over, I think there is some >> kind of dance music canon emerging... or at least a commercial, >> Ministry of Sound-created dance music canon. >> >> Thanks, >> Ed >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car >> this winter? >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net > From g.stjohn at warpmail.net Sun Jun 7 22:43:28 2009 From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net (Graham St John) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: <4A2A864B.4060902@zoo.co.uk> References: <587518.91993.qm@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2A8201.8000401@zoo.co.uk> <4A2A864B.4060902@zoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Ed i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd probably find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be known as "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as more mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite aesthetic rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on offer at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes of John 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long time kept a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my view the musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with multiple roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition you're talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, some of which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read "bad" any way you like): http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 Graham >> >> >> >>Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, >>>the top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list >>>members!? >>> >>>pax et lux >>> >>>nick >>>Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>Editor, Kritikos >>>http://intertheory.org >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>*From:* Ed Montano >>>*To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>*Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>*Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has >>>been written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I >>>know there is lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic >>>albums, Beatles, Beach Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but >>>dance music I'm not so sure... >>> >>>I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in >>>the past couple of years that gather together dance music >>>"classsics" or "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on >>>almost all of them. While this is probably just the music industry >>>packaging and re-packaging the same old stuff over and over, I >>>think there is some kind of dance music canon emerging... or at >>>least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music canon. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Ed >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car >>>this winter? >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Dancecult-l mailing list >>>Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>No commercial use without permission >>>www.dancecult.net >> > >_______________________________________________ >Dancecult-l mailing list >Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >No commercial use without permission >www.dancecult.net From a.e.leeds at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 23:36:33 2009 From: a.e.leeds at gmail.com (a.e.leeds at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: References: <587518.91993.qm@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2A8201.8000401@zoo.co.uk> <4A2A864B.4060902@zoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <571aa3f60906071436x2ae2ccc1o60d4c0f1b08cb634@mail.gmail.com> I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can grow. Feedback on that idea? Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of genre in EDM? Best, Adam -- Adam E. Leeds Ph.D. Candidate Department of Anthropology University of Pennsylvania 914.980.2970 leeds at sas.upenn.edu On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John wrote: > Hi Ed > > i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd probably > find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's > considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably > "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for > instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be known as > "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where > "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as more > mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite aesthetic > rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course > "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on offer > at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". > > Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive > psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: > http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion > > Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who > artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that > producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes of John > 'OO' Fleming ?known for his "Euphoria" mixes > http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming > > In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long time kept > a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". > > And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my view the > musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with multiple > roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition you're > talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical > junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, some of > which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. > > Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read "bad" > any way you like): > http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 > > Graham > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>> >>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the >>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >>>> >>>> pax et lux >>>> >>>> nick >>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>> Editor, Kritikos >>>> http://intertheory.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Ed Montano >>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been >>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is >>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach >>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... >>>> >>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the >>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or >>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While >>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same >>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon >>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music >>>> canon. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this >>>> winter? >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>> No commercial use without permission >>>> www.dancecult.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > From r.till at hud.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 10:50:38 2009 From: r.till at hud.ac.uk (Rupert Till) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:50:38 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: <571aa3f60906071436x2ae2ccc1o60d4c0f1b08cb634@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a website. Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which would then get more play. This radio show was also recorded and syndicalised in the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new weekly canon across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in 'rock', not that there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a distinct category. Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly because it tends to be based on individual recordings and labels, rather than albums by specific acts and the acts themselves. But partly due to the rapid rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless nature of EDM affects the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and iconographic nature of pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates a monthly canon. But overall DJs try to be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the socialogical analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it falls away. I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and 'album' (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic repository which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas the focus of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in weeks, is not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon means it is self-sufficient and likely to fly off. How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not of the forever. Perhaps. Rupert Till University of Huddersfield On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" wrote: I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can grow. Feedback on that idea? Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of genre in EDM? Best, Adam -- Adam E. Leeds Ph.D. Candidate Department of Anthropology University of Pennsylvania 914.980.2970 leeds at sas.upenn.edu On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John wrote: > Hi Ed > > i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd probably > find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's > considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably > "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for > instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be known as > "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where > "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as more > mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite aesthetic > rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course > "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on offer > at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". > > Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive > psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: > http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion > > Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who > artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that > producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes of John > 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes > http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming > > In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long time kept > a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". > > And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my view the > musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with multiple > roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition you're > talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical > junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, some of > which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. > > Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read "bad" > any way you like): > http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 > > Graham > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>> >>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the >>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >>>> >>>> pax et lux >>>> >>>> nick >>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>> Editor, Kritikos >>>> http://intertheory.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Ed Montano >>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been >>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is >>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach >>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... >>>> >>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the >>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or >>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While >>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same >>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon >>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music >>>> canon. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this >>>> winter? >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>> No commercial use without permission >>>> www.dancecult.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > _______________________________________________ Dancecult-l mailing list Dancecult-l at listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org No commercial use without permission www.dancecult.net ________________________________ Inspiring tomorrow's professionals --- This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability. From editor at intertheory.org Mon Jun 8 13:40:22 2009 From: editor at intertheory.org (Nicholas Ruiz III) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <934289.97103.qm@web307.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tiesto et al. seem to have reached something of the pop/rock/icon status within EDM, no? Canonicity notwithstanding, there are EDM supergroups/artists, if you will...? And where might a group such as Depeche Mode fit, within such a schema? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsLOiNkW7P0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GaCnAiuvo Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org ----- Original Message ---- From: Rupert Till To: "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" ; "dancecult-l at listcultures.org" Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 4:50:38 AM Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a website. Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which would then get more play. This radio show was also recorded and syndicalised in the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new weekly canon across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in 'rock', not that there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a distinct category. Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly because it tends to be based on individual recordings and labels, rather than albums by specific acts and the acts themselves. But partly due to the rapid rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless nature of EDM affects the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and iconographic nature of pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates a monthly canon. But overall DJs try to be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the socialogical analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it falls away. I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and 'album' (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic repository which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas the focus of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in weeks, is not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon means it is self-sufficient and likely to fly off. How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not of the forever. Perhaps. Rupert Till University of Huddersfield On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" wrote: I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can grow. Feedback on that idea? Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of genre in EDM? Best, Adam -- Adam E. Leeds Ph.D. Candidate Department of Anthropology University of Pennsylvania 914.980.2970 leeds at sas.upenn.edu On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John wrote: > Hi Ed > > i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd probably > find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's > considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably > "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for > instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be known as > "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where > "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as more > mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite aesthetic > rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course > "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on offer > at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". > > Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive > psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: > http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion > > Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who > artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that > producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes of John > 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes > http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming > > In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long time kept > a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". > > And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my view the > musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with multiple > roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition you're > talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical > junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, some of > which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. > > Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read "bad" > any way you like): > http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 > > Graham > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>> >>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the >>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >>>> >>>> pax et lux >>>> >>>> nick >>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>> Editor, Kritikos >>>> http://intertheory.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Ed Montano >>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been >>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is >>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach >>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... >>>> >>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the >>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or >>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While >>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same >>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon >>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music >>>> canon. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this >>>> winter? >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>> No commercial use without permission >>>> www.dancecult.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > _______________________________________________ Dancecult-l mailing list Dancecult-l at listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org No commercial use without permission www.dancecult.net ________________________________ Inspiring tomorrow's professionals --- This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability. _______________________________________________ Dancecult-l mailing list Dancecult-l at listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org No commercial use without permission www.dancecult.net From geert at xs4all.nl Mon Jun 8 20:07:35 2009 From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:07:35 +0200 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: <934289.97103.qm@web307.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <934289.97103.qm@web307.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear all, here Geert from network cultures in Amsterdam, the people who run listcultures.org. This discussion is really important, please continue! The canon, in the sense of the most popular, best, most covered, most pushed, played etc. is one. But the discussion about the terms embedded in the criteria how to get to that list is even more interesting. What is the role, or not role of critics and criticism in all that? Maybe concepts and critiques play less and less a role. One can witness such a tendency in many area. Best, Geert On 8 Jun 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: > > Tiesto et al. seem to have reached something of the pop/rock/icon > status within EDM, no? Canonicity notwithstanding, there are EDM > supergroups/artists, if you will...? And where might a group such as > Depeche Mode fit, within such a schema? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsLOiNkW7P0 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GaCnAiuvo > > > > > > Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D > Editor, Kritikos > http://intertheory.org > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rupert Till > To: "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" ; "dancecult-l at listcultures.org > " > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 4:50:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > > Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio > show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which > played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a > website. Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which > would then get more play. This radio show was also recorded and > syndicalised in the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new > weekly canon across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in > 'rock', not that there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a > distinct category. Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly > because it tends to be based on individual recordings and labels, > rather than albums by specific acts and the acts themselves. But > partly due to the rapid rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless > nature of EDM affects the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and > iconographic nature of pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates > a monthly canon. But overall DJs try to > be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, > that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a > balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural > capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the > socialogical analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it > falls away. > > I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its > attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and > 'album' (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic > repository which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas > the focus of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in > weeks, is not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon > means it is self-sufficient and likely to fly off. > > How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed > garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? > > The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores > recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural > value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, > the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about > recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to > that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it > lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not > of the forever. > > Perhaps. > > Rupert Till > University of Huddersfield > > > On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" > wrote: > > I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in > EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and > rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would > argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of > inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and > genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs > of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how > you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in > rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with > y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) > whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, > but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are > enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, > it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any > genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can > grow. > > Feedback on that idea? > > Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of > genre in EDM? > > Best, > Adam > > -- > Adam E. Leeds > Ph.D. Candidate > Department of Anthropology > University of Pennsylvania > 914.980.2970 > leeds at sas.upenn.edu > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St > John wrote: >> Hi Ed >> >> i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd >> probably >> find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's >> considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably >> "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, >> for >> instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be >> known as >> "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance >> where >> "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself >> as more >> mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite >> aesthetic >> rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of >> course >> "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats >> on offer >> at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". >> >> Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in >> progressive >> psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: >> http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion >> >> Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites >> who >> artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series >> that >> producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the >> likes of John >> 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes >> http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming >> >> In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long >> time kept >> a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". >> >> And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my >> view the >> musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with >> multiple >> roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance >> tradition you're >> talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical >> junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, >> some of >> which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. >> >> Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read >> "bad" >> any way you like): >> http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 >> >> Graham >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>>> >>>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, >>>>> say, the >>>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >>>>> >>>>> pax et lux >>>>> >>>>> nick >>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>>> Editor, Kritikos >>>>> http://intertheory.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Ed Montano >>>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that >>>>> has been >>>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I >>>>> know there is >>>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, >>>>> Beatles, Beach >>>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so >>>>> sure... >>>>> >>>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released >>>>> in the >>>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music >>>>> "classsics" or >>>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of >>>>> them. While >>>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and re- >>>>> packaging the same >>>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance >>>>> music canon >>>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created >>>>> dance music >>>>> canon. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new >>>>> car this >>>>> winter? >>>>> >>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>>> No commercial use without permission >>>>> www.dancecult.net >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult- >>> l_listcultures.org >>> No commercial use without permission >>> www.dancecult.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > > ________________________________ > Inspiring tomorrow's professionals > --- > This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If > you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and > remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not > relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do > not endorse it and will accept no liability. > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Tue Jun 9 11:45:18 2009 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:45:18 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: <571aa3f60906071436x2ae2ccc1o60d4c0f1b08cb634@mail.gmail.com> References: <587518.91993.qm@web301.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A2A8201.8000401@zoo.co.uk> <4A2A864B.4060902@zoo.co.uk> <571aa3f60906071436x2ae2ccc1o60d4c0f1b08cb634@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2E2F2E.9050300@zoo.co.uk> Hi Adam, In my time I've written about a few EDM genres: house music, techno, electro and, recently, psytrance. One of my PhD student has just completed his tome on Drum & Bass. The main difference between rock and EDM is the use of instruments: electric guitar vs. synths .... EDM is deeply steeped in the histories of funk and disco, as well as rock. To go back in the mists of time, check out the book Modulations, edited by Shapiro, which includes the follow three outfits as the mothers of EDM: Kraftwerk Parliament Moroder/Summer Best, Gonnie (Hillegonda Rietveld) a.e.leeds at gmail.com wrote: > I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in > EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and > rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would > argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of > inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and > genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs > of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how > you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in > rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with > y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) > whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, > but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are > enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, > it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any > genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can > grow. > > Feedback on that idea? > > Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of > genre in EDM? > > Best, > Adam > > From Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk Tue Jun 9 11:58:20 2009 From: Hillegonda at zoo.co.uk (Hillegonda) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: References: <934289.97103.qm@web307.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A2E323C.1030500@zoo.co.uk> It this sense, it is useful to regard genre as discourse: what knowledge is produced, how, by whom, whose interests are embedded in the produced knowledge? See also: o Bruce Horner (2000) ?Discourse?, in: Bruce Horner and Thomas Swiss (Eds) Key Terms in Popular Music and Culture, Oxford: Blackwell. o Keith Negus (1999) Music Genres and Corporate Cultures. London: Routledge. o Will Straw (2004) ?Systems of articulation, logics of change: communities and scenes in popular music?. In: Simon Frith (Ed) (2004) Critical Concepts in Media and Cultural Studies. London: Routledge. o Jason Toynbee (2000) Making Popular Music. Oxford UP. Gonnie Geert Lovink wrote: > Dear all, > > here Geert from network cultures in Amsterdam, the people who run > listcultures.org. > > This discussion is really important, please continue! > > The canon, in the sense of the most popular, best, most covered, most > pushed, played etc. is one. > > But the discussion about the terms embedded in the criteria how to get > to that list is even more interesting. > > What is the role, or not role of critics and criticism in all that? > > Maybe concepts and critiques play less and less a role. One can > witness such a tendency in many area. > > Best, Geert > > > > On 8 Jun 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: > >> >> Tiesto et al. seem to have reached something of the pop/rock/icon >> status within EDM, no? Canonicity notwithstanding, there are EDM >> supergroups/artists, if you will...? And where might a group such as >> Depeche Mode fit, within such a schema? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsLOiNkW7P0 >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GaCnAiuvo >> >> >> >> >> >> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >> Editor, Kritikos >> http://intertheory.org >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Rupert Till >> To: "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" ; >> "dancecult-l at listcultures.org" >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 4:50:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >> >> Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio >> show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which >> played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a website. >> Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which would then >> get more play. This radio show was also recorded and syndicalised in >> the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new weekly canon >> across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in 'rock', not that >> there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a distinct category. >> Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly because it tends to >> be based on individual recordings and labels, rather than albums by >> specific acts and the acts themselves. But partly due to the rapid >> rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless nature of EDM affects >> the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and iconographic nature of >> pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates a monthly canon. But >> overall DJs try to >> be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, >> that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a >> balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural >> capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the socialogical >> analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it falls away. >> >> I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its >> attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and 'album' >> (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic repository >> which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas the focus >> of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in weeks, is >> not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon means it is >> self-sufficient and likely to fly off. >> >> How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed >> garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? >> >> The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores >> recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural >> value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, >> the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about >> recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to >> that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it >> lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not of >> the forever. >> >> Perhaps. >> >> Rupert Till >> University of Huddersfield >> >> >> On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" wrote: >> >> I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in >> EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and >> rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would >> argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of >> inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and >> genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs >> of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how >> you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in >> rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with >> y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) >> whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, >> but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are >> enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, >> it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any >> genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can >> grow. >> >> Feedback on that idea? >> >> Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of >> genre in EDM? >> >> Best, >> Adam >> >> -- >> Adam E. Leeds >> Ph.D. Candidate >> Department of Anthropology >> University of Pennsylvania >> 914.980.2970 >> leeds at sas.upenn.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John >> wrote: >>> Hi Ed >>> >>> i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd >>> probably >>> find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's >>> considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably >>> "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for >>> instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be >>> known as >>> "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where >>> "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as >>> more >>> mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite >>> aesthetic >>> rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course >>> "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on >>> offer >>> at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". >>> >>> Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive >>> psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: >>> http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion >>> >>> Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who >>> artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that >>> producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes >>> of John >>> 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes >>> http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming >>> >>> In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long >>> time kept >>> a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". >>> >>> And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my >>> view the >>> musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with >>> multiple >>> roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition >>> you're >>> talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical >>> junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, >>> some of >>> which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. >>> >>> Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read >>> "bad" >>> any way you like): >>> http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, >>>>>> say, the >>>>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >>>>>> >>>>>> pax et lux >>>>>> >>>>>> nick >>>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>>>> Editor, Kritikos >>>>>> http://intertheory.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Ed Montano >>>>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has >>>>>> been >>>>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know >>>>>> there is >>>>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, >>>>>> Beatles, Beach >>>>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so >>>>>> sure... >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in >>>>>> the >>>>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or >>>>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of >>>>>> them. While >>>>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and >>>>>> re-packaging the same >>>>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance >>>>>> music canon >>>>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created >>>>>> dance music >>>>>> canon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Ed >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car >>>>>> this >>>>>> winter? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>>>> >>>>>> No commercial use without permission >>>>>> www.dancecult.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>> No commercial use without permission >>>> www.dancecult.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>> No commercial use without permission >>> www.dancecult.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> >> >> ________________________________ >> > src="http://www.hud.ac.uk/images/emails/neutral_navy_blue_003976.gif" >> alt="Inspiring tomorrow's professionals"> >> --- >> This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If >> you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and >> remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not >> relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do >> not endorse it and will accept no liability. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > From editor at intertheory.org Tue Jun 9 18:38:53 2009 From: editor at intertheory.org (Nicholas Ruiz III) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon In-Reply-To: References: <934289.97103.qm@web307.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <119032.92345.qm@web308.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ...criticism varies in use value according to the milieu, no? ...in the mass media sphere, the critics and their outlets effectively market products... Ani Difranco says something like this in a tune of hers: "...all the tvs agree with all the radios, and all the radios agree with all the magazines, and we just keep hearing that same damn song over and over again, until we can't get it out of our head!" Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D Editor, Kritikos http://intertheory.org ----- Original Message ---- From: Geert Lovink To: dancecult-l at listcultures.org Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 2:07:35 PM Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon Dear all, here Geert from network cultures in Amsterdam, the people who run listcultures.org. This discussion is really important, please continue! The canon, in the sense of the most popular, best, most covered, most pushed, played etc. is one. But the discussion about the terms embedded in the criteria how to get to that list is even more interesting. What is the role, or not role of critics and criticism in all that? Maybe concepts and critiques play less and less a role. One can witness such a tendency in many area. Best, Geert On 8 Jun 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: > > Tiesto et al. seem to have reached something of the pop/rock/icon status within EDM, no? Canonicity notwithstanding, there are EDM supergroups/artists, if you will...? And where might a group such as Depeche Mode fit, within such a schema? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsLOiNkW7P0 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GaCnAiuvo > > > > > > Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D > Editor, Kritikos > http://intertheory.org > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rupert Till > To: "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" ; "dancecult-l at listcultures.org" > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 4:50:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > > Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a website. Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which would then get more play. This radio show was also recorded and syndicalised in the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new weekly canon across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in 'rock', not that there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a distinct category. Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly because it tends to be based on individual recordings and labels, rather than albums by specific acts and the acts themselves. But partly due to the rapid rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless nature of EDM affects the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and iconographic nature of pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates a monthly canon. But overall DJs try to > be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the socialogical analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it falls away. > > I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and 'album' (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic repository which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas the focus of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in weeks, is not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon means it is self-sufficient and likely to fly off. > > How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? > > The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not of the forever. > > Perhaps. > > Rupert Till > University of Huddersfield > > > On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" wrote: > > I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in > EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and > rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would > argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of > inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and > genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs > of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how > you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in > rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with > y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) > whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, > but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are > enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, > it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any > genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can > grow. > > Feedback on that idea? > > Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of > genre in EDM? > > Best, > Adam > > -- > Adam E. Leeds > Ph.D. Candidate > Department of Anthropology > University of Pennsylvania > 914.980.2970 > leeds at sas.upenn.edu > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John wrote: >> Hi Ed >> >> i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd probably >> find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's >> considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably >> "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for >> instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be known as >> "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where >> "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as more >> mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite aesthetic >> rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course >> "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on offer >> at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". >> >> Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive >> psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: >> http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion >> >> Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who >> artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that >> producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes of John >> 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes >> http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming >> >> In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long time kept >> a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". >> >> And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my view the >> musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with multiple >> roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition you're >> talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical >> junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, some of >> which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. >> >> Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read "bad" >> any way you like): >> http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 >> >> Graham >> >> >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >>>>> >>>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, say, the >>>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >>>>> >>>>> pax et lux >>>>> >>>>> nick >>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >>>>> Editor, Kritikos >>>>> http://intertheory.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Ed Montano >>>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >>>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has been >>>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know there is >>>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, Beatles, Beach >>>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so sure... >>>>> >>>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in the >>>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or >>>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of them. While >>>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and re-packaging the same >>>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance music canon >>>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created dance music >>>>> canon. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car this >>>>> winter? >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>>>> No commercial use without permission >>>>> www.dancecult.net >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dancecult-l mailing list >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >>> No commercial use without permission >>> www.dancecult.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> No commercial use without permission >> www.dancecult.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > > ________________________________ > Inspiring tomorrow's professionals > --- > This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability. > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dancecult-l mailing list > Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > No commercial use without permission > www.dancecult.net > _______________________________________________ Dancecult-l mailing list Dancecult-l at listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org No commercial use without permission www.dancecult.net From jolouisehall at googlemail.com Wed Jun 10 22:22:48 2009 From: jolouisehall at googlemail.com (Joanna Hall) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:22:48 +0100 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 6 - Canon / genres of EDM Message-ID: <79dde4bc0906101322x658dd3c7r69b7abe6f16892e5@mail.gmail.com> I have a chapter published that discusses the inter-generic relationships between various EDM (and the importance of context, audience in creating discourse about genres): Hall, J. (2008) Mapping the Multifarious: the genrification of dance music club cultures in Lansdale, J. (ed.) Decentring Dancing Texts: the challenge of interpreting dances Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan. Jo On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send Dancecult-l mailing list submissions to > dancecult-l at listcultures.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > dancecult-l-owner at listcultures.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Dancecult-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Dance music canon (Hillegonda) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:58:20 +0100 > From: Hillegonda > Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > To: Geert Lovink > Cc: dancecult-l at listcultures.org > Message-ID: <4A2E323C.1030500 at zoo.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > It this sense, it is useful to regard genre as discourse: what knowledge > is produced, how, by whom, whose interests are embedded in the produced > knowledge? > > See also: > o Bruce Horner (2000) ?Discourse?, in: Bruce Horner and Thomas Swiss > (Eds) Key Terms in Popular Music and Culture, Oxford: Blackwell. > o Keith Negus (1999) Music Genres and Corporate Cultures. London: > Routledge. > o Will Straw (2004) ?Systems of articulation, logics of change: > communities and scenes in popular music?. In: Simon Frith (Ed) (2004) > Critical Concepts in Media and Cultural Studies. London: Routledge. > o Jason Toynbee (2000) Making Popular Music. Oxford UP. > > > Gonnie > > > > > Geert Lovink wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > here Geert from network cultures in Amsterdam, the people who run > > listcultures.org. > > > > This discussion is really important, please continue! > > > > The canon, in the sense of the most popular, best, most covered, most > > pushed, played etc. is one. > > > > But the discussion about the terms embedded in the criteria how to get > > to that list is even more interesting. > > > > What is the role, or not role of critics and criticism in all that? > > > > Maybe concepts and critiques play less and less a role. One can > > witness such a tendency in many area. > > > > Best, Geert > > > > > > > > On 8 Jun 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: > > > >> > >> Tiesto et al. seem to have reached something of the pop/rock/icon > >> status within EDM, no? Canonicity notwithstanding, there are EDM > >> supergroups/artists, if you will...? And where might a group such as > >> Depeche Mode fit, within such a schema? > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsLOiNkW7P0 > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GaCnAiuvo > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D > >> Editor, Kritikos > >> http://intertheory.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Rupert Till > >> To: "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" ; > >> "dancecult-l at listcultures.org" > >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 4:50:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > >> > >> Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio > >> show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which > >> played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a website. > >> Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which would then > >> get more play. This radio show was also recorded and syndicalised in > >> the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new weekly canon > >> across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in 'rock', not that > >> there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a distinct category. > >> Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly because it tends to > >> be based on individual recordings and labels, rather than albums by > >> specific acts and the acts themselves. But partly due to the rapid > >> rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless nature of EDM affects > >> the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and iconographic nature of > >> pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates a monthly canon. But > >> overall DJs try to > >> be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, > >> that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a > >> balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural > >> capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the socialogical > >> analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it falls away. > >> > >> I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its > >> attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and 'album' > >> (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic repository > >> which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas the focus > >> of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in weeks, is > >> not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon means it is > >> self-sufficient and likely to fly off. > >> > >> How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed > >> garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? > >> > >> The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores > >> recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural > >> value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, > >> the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about > >> recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to > >> that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it > >> lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not of > >> the forever. > >> > >> Perhaps. > >> > >> Rupert Till > >> University of Huddersfield > >> > >> > >> On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" wrote: > >> > >> I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in > >> EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and > >> rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would > >> argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of > >> inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and > >> genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs > >> of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how > >> you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in > >> rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with > >> y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) > >> whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, > >> but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are > >> enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, > >> it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any > >> genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can > >> grow. > >> > >> Feedback on that idea? > >> > >> Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of > >> genre in EDM? > >> > >> Best, > >> Adam > >> > >> -- > >> Adam E. Leeds > >> Ph.D. Candidate > >> Department of Anthropology > >> University of Pennsylvania > >> 914.980.2970 > >> leeds at sas.upenn.edu > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John > >> wrote: > >>> Hi Ed > >>> > >>> i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd > >>> probably > >>> find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's > >>> considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably > >>> "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for > >>> instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be > >>> known as > >>> "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance where > >>> "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as > >>> more > >>> mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite > >>> aesthetic > >>> rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course > >>> "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on > >>> offer > >>> at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". > >>> > >>> Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in progressive > >>> psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: > >>> http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion > >>> > >>> Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites who > >>> artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that > >>> producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes > >>> of John > >>> 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes > >>> http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming > >>> > >>> In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long > >>> time kept > >>> a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". > >>> > >>> And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my > >>> view the > >>> musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with > >>> multiple > >>> roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition > >>> you're > >>> talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical > >>> junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, > >>> some of > >>> which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. > >>> > >>> Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read > >>> "bad" > >>> any way you like): > >>> http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 > >>> > >>> Graham > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, > >>>>>> say, the > >>>>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> pax et lux > >>>>>> > >>>>>> nick > >>>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D > >>>>>> Editor, Kritikos > >>>>>> http://intertheory.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *From:* Ed Montano > >>>>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org > >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM > >>>>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has > >>>>>> been > >>>>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know > >>>>>> there is > >>>>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, > >>>>>> Beatles, Beach > >>>>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so > >>>>>> sure... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" or > >>>>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of > >>>>>> them. While > >>>>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and > >>>>>> re-packaging the same > >>>>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance > >>>>>> music canon > >>>>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created > >>>>>> dance music > >>>>>> canon. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Ed > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car > >>>>>> this > >>>>>> winter? > >>>>>> < > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT > >>>>>> < > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > >< > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT%20 > < > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Dancecult-l mailing list > >>>>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > >>>>>> > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No commercial use without permission > >>>>>> www.dancecult.net > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list > >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > >>>> No commercial use without permission > >>>> www.dancecult.net > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Dancecult-l mailing list > >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > >>> No commercial use without permission > >>> www.dancecult.net > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dancecult-l mailing list > >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org > >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org > >> No commercial use without permission > >> www.dancecult.net > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> >> src="http://www.hud.ac.uk/images/emails/neutral_navy_blue_003976.gif" > >> alt="Inspiring tomorrow's professionals"> > >> --- > >> This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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URL: From a.e.leeds at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 23:00:54 2009 From: a.e.leeds at gmail.com (a.e.leeds at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Dancecult-l] Dancecult-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 6 - Canon / genres of EDM In-Reply-To: <79dde4bc0906101322x658dd3c7r69b7abe6f16892e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <79dde4bc0906101322x658dd3c7r69b7abe6f16892e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <571aa3f60906101400q21ff02f7rd4775e5d883e55d9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Joanna, I would love to read that chapter-- do you by any chance have PDF of it you could send me? Best, Adam On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Joanna Hall wrote: > I have a chapter published that discusses the inter-generic relationships > between various EDM (and the importance of context, audience in creating > discourse about genres): > > Hall, J. (2008) Mapping the Multifarious: the genrification of dance music > club cultures in Lansdale, J. (ed.) Decentring Dancing Texts: the challenge > of interpreting dances Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan. > > Jo > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM, > wrote: >> >> Send Dancecult-l mailing list submissions to >> ? ? ? ?dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> ?http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ? ? ? ?dancecult-l-request at listcultures.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ? ? ? ?dancecult-l-owner at listcultures.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Dancecult-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ? 1. Re: Dance music canon (Hillegonda) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:58:20 +0100 >> From: Hillegonda >> Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >> To: Geert Lovink >> Cc: dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> Message-ID: <4A2E323C.1030500 at zoo.co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> It this sense, it is useful to regard genre as discourse: what knowledge >> is produced, how, by whom, whose interests are embedded in the produced >> knowledge? >> >> See also: >> o Bruce Horner (2000) ?Discourse?, in: Bruce Horner and Thomas Swiss >> (Eds) Key Terms in Popular Music and Culture, Oxford: Blackwell. >> o Keith Negus (1999) Music Genres and Corporate Cultures. London: >> Routledge. >> o Will Straw (2004) ?Systems of articulation, logics of change: >> communities and scenes in popular music?. In: Simon Frith (Ed) (2004) >> Critical Concepts in Media and Cultural Studies. London: Routledge. >> o Jason Toynbee (2000) Making Popular Music. Oxford UP. >> >> >> Gonnie >> >> >> >> >> Geert Lovink wrote: >> > Dear all, >> > >> > here Geert from network cultures in Amsterdam, the people who run >> > listcultures.org. >> > >> > This discussion is really important, please continue! >> > >> > The canon, in the sense of the most popular, best, most covered, most >> > pushed, played etc. is one. >> > >> > But the discussion about the terms embedded in the criteria how to get >> > to that list is even more interesting. >> > >> > What is the role, or not role of critics and criticism in all that? >> > >> > Maybe concepts and critiques play less and less a role. One can >> > witness such a tendency in many area. >> > >> > Best, Geert >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8 Jun 2009, at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Tiesto et al. seem to have reached something of the pop/rock/icon >> >> status within EDM, no? Canonicity notwithstanding, there are EDM >> >> supergroups/artists, if you will...? And where might a group such as >> >> Depeche Mode fit, within such a schema? >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsLOiNkW7P0 >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2GaCnAiuvo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >> >> Editor, Kritikos >> >> http://intertheory.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> >> From: Rupert Till >> >> To: "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" ; >> >> "dancecult-l at listcultures.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 4:50:38 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >> >> >> >> Canon is regularly addressed in EDM. The Essential selection radio >> >> show in the UK is/was a weekly EDM show by Pete Tong (I think) which >> >> played a specific set of tracks, which were then listed on a website. >> >> Many DJs would listen to this and buy the tracks, which would then >> >> get more play. This radio show was also recorded and syndicalised in >> >> the USA across local stations. Thus spreading a new weekly canon >> >> across EDM trajectories. Canon is very different in 'rock', not that >> >> there is such thing as 'rock' music any more as a distinct category. >> >> Canon is EDM I would say is faster moving, partly because it tends to >> >> be based on individual recordings and labels, rather than albums by >> >> specific acts and the acts themselves. But partly due to the rapid >> >> rate of change in taste in EDM. The faceless nature of EDM affects >> >> the idea of canon, as does the 'faced' and iconographic nature of >> >> pop/rock type styles. Mixmag magazine creates a monthly canon. But >> >> overall DJs try to >> >> be cutting edge, which means spinning tunes that are not canonical, >> >> that few others have played. Acceptance by any kind of canon is a >> >> balancing act, once a recording is too popular it's subcultural >> >> capital (if subculture is not also too far gone from the socialogical >> >> analysis canon) collapses, its authenticity dies and it falls away. >> >> >> >> I think canon in rock and pop is made more permanent by its >> >> attachment to longer forms like 'band' (several years) and 'album' >> >> (months). The mediapheme or icon of the band is a basic repository >> >> which subsequent releases can stick to or add to. Whereas the focus >> >> of EDM on 'track' or 'single', a form which is measured in weeks, is >> >> not grounded, and the lack of a face, mediapheme or icon means it is >> >> self-sufficient and likely to fly off. >> >> >> >> How many hard house tunes are now played in EDM clubs? Or speed >> >> garage tracks, or Goa trance, or even acid house? >> >> >> >> The idea of a canon is it has a level of permanence, it ignores >> >> recent fluctuations in interest and establishes musical and cultural >> >> value shown by long term approval by the canon writers in the field, >> >> the meta-narrators. EDM is too liquid to do this, it is all about >> >> recent fluctuations in interest, it acknowledges no preference to >> >> that with long term appeal, it has limited short-term memory, it >> >> lives for today rather than building careers, it is of the now not of >> >> the forever. >> >> >> >> Perhaps. >> >> >> >> Rupert Till >> >> University of Huddersfield >> >> >> >> >> >> On 07/06/2009 22:36, "a.e.leeds at gmail.com" wrote: >> >> >> >> I've been working on a paper for some time on the lack of canon in >> >> EDM. It seems to me that one very important differentia of EDM and >> >> rock music is the lack of importance of canon to the former. I would >> >> argue that while canons map a "virtual" cognitive structure of >> >> inference for talking about and learning to listen to rock music, and >> >> genre (and adjectives that modify genres, which are, as it were, germs >> >> of genre in formation) plays an analogous role in EDM. Think of how >> >> you describe a new album or artist in each realm, for instance: in >> >> rock the informative things to say are "it sounds like x crossed with >> >> y with the guitar from early period z" (where x y and z are bands) >> >> whereas in EDM you are much more likely to say "it sounds like p-q, >> >> but kinda r-y and s-y" (where p and q are genre names and r and s are >> >> enregistered adjectives). To the extent that canons are useful in EDM, >> >> it is genre-internally; the short length of active development of any >> >> genre thus limits the extent to which its corresponding canon can >> >> grow. >> >> >> >> Feedback on that idea? >> >> >> >> Also, who is writing about the idea and (practices of) delimitation of >> >> genre in EDM? >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Adam E. Leeds >> >> Ph.D. Candidate >> >> Department of Anthropology >> >> University of Pennsylvania >> >> 914.980.2970 >> >> leeds at sas.upenn.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Graham St John >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ed >> >>> >> >>> i dont know of research on EDM canon as such, but i think you'd >> >>> probably >> >>> find interest in the concept of "progressive" dance music; there's >> >>> considerable jostling that goes on around what is recognisably >> >>> "progressive", and this is remarkably acute across "trance" music, for >> >>> instance. There, you immediately run into a genre that wants to be >> >>> known as >> >>> "progressive trance", and this is also prominent within psytrance >> >>> where >> >>> "progressive psychedelic trance" has consistently promoted itself as >> >>> more >> >>> mature and refined than other styles (like "full on"), an elite >> >>> aesthetic >> >>> rooted in earlier developments like "progressive house" and, of course >> >>> "progressive rock", and interestingly often contrasted with whats on >> >>> offer >> >>> at festivals that, for instance, identifies as "funky". >> >>> >> >>> Yellow Sunshine Explosion, a prolific label specialising in >> >>> progressive >> >>> psychedelic trance compilations, have been canonising for years: >> >>> http://www.discogs.com/label/Yellow+Sunshine+Explosion >> >>> >> >>> Of interest is the way DJs make a name for themselves as authorites >> >>> who >> >>> artists want to be remixed by and who will mix compilation series that >> >>> producers strive to appear on. Immediately I'm thinking of the likes >> >>> of John >> >>> 'OO' Fleming known for his "Euphoria" mixes >> >>> http://www.discogs.com/artist/John+%2700%27+Fleming >> >>> >> >>> In another world, these days dark trance DJ Goa Gil has for a long >> >>> time kept >> >>> a list he referred to as his "divine dozen". >> >>> >> >>> And just in relation to trance, as the subject was raised, in my >> >>> view the >> >>> musics that have attracted the label "trance" are so diverse with >> >>> multiple >> >>> roots that it's probably important to clarify which trance tradition >> >>> you're >> >>> talking about, not withstanding the fact that there remains critical >> >>> junctures in the history of techno-trance and its many exchanges, >> >>> some of >> >>> which have been pin-pointed by Gonnie. >> >>> >> >>> Is there a canon for bad trance album covers? (you are free to read >> >>> "bad" >> >>> any way you like): >> >>> http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=112647 >> >>> >> >>> Graham >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> not that i know of...but i'd love to hear some commentary on, >> >>>>>> say, the >> >>>>>> top five trance tracks of all time, as rendered by list members!? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> pax et lux >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> nick >> >>>>>> Nicholas Ruiz III, Ph.D >> >>>>>> Editor, Kritikos >> >>>>>> http://intertheory.org >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> *From:* Ed Montano >> >>>>>> *To:* dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 5, 2009 3:01:18 AM >> >>>>>> *Subject:* [Dancecult-l] Dance music canon >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Just a quick question - does anyone know of any material that has >> >>>>>> been >> >>>>>> written on the idea of a canon in relation to dance music? I know >> >>>>>> there is >> >>>>>> lots of stuff on rock music / popular music (classic albums, >> >>>>>> Beatles, Beach >> >>>>>> Boys, Radiohead, Nirvana, etc etc), but dance music I'm not so >> >>>>>> sure... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm asking because quite a few compilations have been released in >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> past couple of years that gather together dance music "classsics" >> >>>>>> or >> >>>>>> "anthems", and certain tracks seem to appear on almost all of >> >>>>>> them. While >> >>>>>> this is probably just the music industry packaging and >> >>>>>> re-packaging the same >> >>>>>> old stuff over and over, I think there is some kind of dance >> >>>>>> music canon >> >>>>>> emerging... or at least a commercial, Ministry of Sound-created >> >>>>>> dance music >> >>>>>> canon. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>> Ed >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Let us help with car news, reviews and more Looking for a new car >> >>>>>> this >> >>>>>> winter? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >> >>>>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> No commercial use without permission >> >>>>>> www.dancecult.net >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Dancecult-l mailing list >> >>>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >>>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> >>>> No commercial use without permission >> >>>> www.dancecult.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Dancecult-l mailing list >> >>> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >>> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> >>> No commercial use without permission >> >>> www.dancecult.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Dancecult-l mailing list >> >> Dancecult-l at listcultures.org >> >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/dancecult-l_listcultures.org >> >> No commercial use without permission >> >> www.dancecult.net >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> > >> src="http://www.hud.ac.uk/images/emails/neutral_navy_blue_003976.gif" >> >> alt="Inspiring tomorrow's professionals"> >> >> --- >> >> This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Leeds Ph.D. Candidate Department of Anthropology University of Pennsylvania 914.980.2970 leeds at sas.upenn.edu From g.stjohn at warpmail.net Sat Jun 20 22:05:30 2009 From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net (Graham St John) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:05:30 -0600 Subject: [Dancecult-l] zombies Message-ID: Does anyone know of published research or other available material that relates to zombie raves or zombies and EDMC, which might have cropped up in the opposition to, or expression of, dance? Graham