[Dancecult-l] Muslim raves

[Beata Beatrix]

Hi,

 

Sufi tradition has its on trance culture, yes, but it will not be very correct to take it as a contamporary rave cuture; it is one of the traditional and religious rave. Also taking Turkey as a muslim country will not be very correct as indeed it is a secular country where most of people are muslim. We cannot say the contemporary trance community in Turkey (it is more then ten years now till they exist and act) does not consist of religious people, as in Islam, hedonism is a sin.

 

Thanks,

Beatrix


 
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:44:07 -0800
> From: gonzo at quadrantcrossing.org
> To: Dancecult-l at listcultures.org
> Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Muslim raves
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, my apologies, by Eastern Europe I had meant to group (perhaps
> erroneously) the Balkans.
> 
> > sure - and maybe some young Muslims go to raves and parties there. but i'm
> > think those are just a standard type of dance events.
> 
> But this is the nut of the question -- why would "Muslim raves" be any
> different by virtue of culture or default religious upbringing? etc.
> 
> best/ t.
> 
> 
> > hello!
> > 
> >> Then there's all of Eastern Europe, which has significant Muslim
> > populations...
> > 
> > actually, Muslim population isn't really huge in Eastern Europe at all.
> > these are predominantly Christian - or even secular/atheistic countries
> > (especially in case of post-soviet ones). and Muslim communities there are
> > rather traditional and tight - raves seem to be incompatible with their
> > traditions. maybe something like that exists in couple of Balcan countries,
> > where there are more Muslims - this region has club\open-air scenes for
> > sure - and maybe some young Muslims go to raves and parties there. but i'm
> > think those are just a standard type of dance events.
> > 
> > but there is some music in East European or Post Soviet states that somehow
> > incorporates/appropriates Muslim music of symbolism. for example, there's a
> > electropop project SuperAlisa from Tatarstan - one of republics of Russian
> > Federation. Tatarstan is a Muslim region (but moderate) and as far as i know
> > they have quite a thriving electronic scene in their capital - Kazan. some
> > SuperAlisa's music is here - http://www.last.fm/music/SuperAlisa,
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDP2swojqAA
> > it's not a rave type but funny :)
> > 
> > cheers,
> > 
> > pavel
> > 
> > http://myspace.com/pavelambiont
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:56 PM, > ! < <gonzo at quadrantcrossing.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >>> From what I know through the Upgrade International network of media arts,
> >> there's raves all over Turkey, and a huge media arts scene there as well,
> >> with plenty of action in Istanbul:
> >> 
> >> http://www.nomad-tv.net/upgrade/
> >> http://www.nomad-tv.net/
> >> 
> >> Then there's all of Eastern Europe, which has significant Muslim
> >> populations...
> >> 
> >> The question would need opening up. Do you mean to find raves in
> >> specifically Muslim countries -- ie in places where such events would
> >> appear
> >> (to us Westerners) to be heretic to national culture and law -- ? Ie, say
> >> Iran. Or Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
> >> 
> >> Or is the point to search out "Muslim raves" along the same lines that one
> >> would search out explicitly religious "Christian raves" (a la Robin
> >> Sylvan)?
> >> 
> >> Or by the fact that there are Muslims in attendance does it make the rave
> >> inherently Muslim? If so, then the Israeli trance scene be all "Jewish
> >> raves"?
> >> 
> >> Ie, the different shades of Muslim need to be divested, in relation to
> >> geography, diaspora, nation, religion, culture...
> >> 
> >> Definitely a fruitful avenue of research. Of course, theoretically charted
> >> out by Hakim Bey from the get-go... the TAZ is rooted in heretic Sufi... I
> >> wonder if there's a translation in Farsi... or Arabic...
> >> 
> >> best/ t.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Just a quick question - I'm wondering if anyone knows about the
> >>> existence of anything that might approximate "raves" among Muslim
> >>> youth in any part of the globe? And if there might be any research /
> >>> documentation available?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks
> >>> 
> >>> Grraham
> >>> 
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