[Dancecult-l] Muslim raves

[Beata Beatrix]

Hi again,

evidence seems a little far away as these communities have to be a little bit to be hidden to survive... 

such as in thailand, as it looks like raving is a little bi more free -as they are budhists; but in case of a serious rave party, police is there accusing the participants having been on drugs as lsd or mushroom, etc... 

as a traveller around asia since last four years, still trying to find out what and how it is goin on...


 
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:08:25 -0800
> To: gonzo at quadrantcrossing.org; Dancecult-l at listcultures.org
> From: g.stjohn at warpmail.net
> Subject: Re: [Dancecult-l] Muslim raves
> 
> 
> Those are good questions Tobias, and yes my initial inquiry was 
> deliberately broad and more to do with establishing the existence of 
> any research, either published or in process, that might shed some 
> light on "Muslim raves" whether Muslims are intentionally 
> appropriating elements of EDMC in the context of "rave" parties to 
> further Islamicism (as in Christian raves), which is far less likely, 
> or whether there are rave or rave-like events that transpire within 
> countries or regions that are predominantly Muslim or have large 
> Muslim populations (as in the case of the psytrance community Epic 
> Tribe in Malaysia linked to by Beata or Evan's link to scenes in 
> Dubai) which is far more likely. There is further evidence of the 
> latter mentioned to me off list - ie psytrance communities in Iran.
> 
> More generally, my guess is that clubbing (or perhaps "club raves") 
> is more likely observable among Muslim populations around the world 
> but which evince tight regulatory structures and ordinance [as we see 
> for example in China], and /or with significant transient western / 
> tourist populations (as in Dubai or in parts of Indonesia). And that 
> "raves" of the kind that might involve DJs , MDMA and other conscious 
> alterants not including alcohol, although that is itself a 
> considerable challenge within predominently Muslim societies, and 
> where we may find spaces for girls and women to dance relatively 
> unhinderd are very marginal and unpermitted, and probably often 
> operated by middle class experimentalists and entreprenueres in 
> collusion with expatriate operators (and wonky police) - and thus 
> understandably not open to the scrutiny of nosy researchers under the 
> employ of the state.
> 
> Light shed on what is happening in Israel and Palestinian Territories 
> (as well as Lebanon) might be helpful here, if for nothing more than 
> that many Israeli trance events are apparently characterised by a 
> prejudicial response to Arabs and Arabic sensibilities, ie those not 
> generally regarded as "beautiful people", and all this despite the 
> PLUR-like ideologies - I know Joshua Schmidt has been performing 
> some important work in this regard.
> 
> The way electronic music has been used to sample and amplify elements 
> of Islam / Sufic tradition is also of interest though, as Wayne 
> indicates, not strictly to do with "rave" - and thanks to him for 
> sending that fascinating article on an Egyptian electro-folk sene. 
> And to Pavel for the interesting electropop example from Tartastan! 
> Im sure that Turkey would offer many examples, though it would be 
> interesting to learn of any similar Palestinian work or scenes.
> 
> Also I dont discount that hip hop (technically an EDMC) has become 
> popular among populations of youth in Islamic countries and 
> communities. This is a related yet separate area which I know has and 
> continues to be the subject of research in various places globally.
> 
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:56 AM -0800 2/10/10, > ! < wrote:
> >From what I know through the Upgrade International network of media arts,
> >there's raves all over Turkey, and a huge media arts scene there as well,
> >with plenty of action in Istanbul:
> >
> > http://www.nomad-tv.net/upgrade/
> > http://www.nomad-tv.net/
> >
> >Then there's all of Eastern Europe, which has significant Muslim
> >populations...
> >
> >The question would need opening up. Do you mean to find raves in
> >specifically Muslim countries -- ie in places where such events would appear
> >(to us Westerners) to be heretic to national culture and law -- ? Ie, say
> >Iran. Or Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
> >
> >Or is the point to search out "Muslim raves" along the same lines that one
> >would search out explicitly religious "Christian raves" (a la Robin Sylvan)?
> >
> >Or by the fact that there are Muslims in attendance does it make the rave
> >inherently Muslim? If so, then the Israeli trance scene be all "Jewish
> >raves"?
> >
> >Ie, the different shades of Muslim need to be divested, in relation to
> >geography, diaspora, nation, religion, culture...
> >
> >Definitely a fruitful avenue of research. Of course, theoretically charted
> >out by Hakim Bey from the get-go... the TAZ is rooted in heretic Sufi... I
> >wonder if there's a translation in Farsi... or Arabic...
> >
> >best/ t.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Just a quick question - I'm wondering if anyone knows about the
> >> existence of anything that might approximate "raves" among Muslim
> >> youth in any part of the globe? And if there might be any research /
> >> documentation available?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Grraham
> >>
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