From and at engagemedia.org  Thu Dec  3 00:51:55 2009
From: and at engagemedia.org (and)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:51:55 +1100
Subject: <videovortex> VideoChronic: Video Activism and Distribution in
	Indonesia
Message-ID: <4B16FD9B.6070202@engagemedia.org>

http://engagemedia.org/videochronic

EngageMedia and Kunci Cultural Studies Center are pleased to announce 
the launch of Videochronic. This publication is the result of a 
collaborative research project charting how activists are engaging with 
video technologies in Indonesia, addressing some of the issues of 
technology-mediated social movements, and exploring the potential and 
limitations of online video distribution.

The past decade in Indonesia has seen a dramatic increase in the use of 
video as a social change tool by community, campaign and activist 
organisations. Access to the tools for producing and distributing video 
have become increasingly democratised over this period.

But how are video activists taking to using new video distribution 
technologies? Beyond the hype how are these tools being used on the 
ground? This research explores how social change video work is currently 
being distributed in Indonesia, from VCD to vodcasting, Creative Commons 
to Copyright, and considers how are activists might approach 
distribution in the future.

This 140 page book presents both English and Indonesian versions of the 
research as well as colour illustrations including a visualisation of 
the development of video activism and online video.

The research can be downloaded as PDF or hard copies may be ordered.

Full details at
http://engagemedia.org/videochronic


From mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl  Thu Dec  3 07:13:50 2009
From: mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl (Maarten Brinkerink)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:13:50 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> FW: VideoChronic: Video Activism and Distribution in
 Indonesia
In-Reply-To: <4B16FD9B.6070202@engagemedia.org>
Message-ID: <C73D15AE.6827%mbrinkerink@beeldengeluid.nl>

FYI

------ Doorgestuurd bericht
Van: and <and at engagemedia.org>
Beantwoorden - Aan: <and at engagemedia.org>
Datum: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:51:55 +1100
Aan: <videovortex at listcultures.org>
Onderwerp: <videovortex> VideoChronic: Video Activism and Distribution in
Indonesia

http://engagemedia.org/videochronic

EngageMedia and Kunci Cultural Studies Center are pleased to announce
the launch of Videochronic. This publication is the result of a
collaborative research project charting how activists are engaging with
video technologies in Indonesia, addressing some of the issues of
technology-mediated social movements, and exploring the potential and
limitations of online video distribution.

The past decade in Indonesia has seen a dramatic increase in the use of
video as a social change tool by community, campaign and activist
organisations. Access to the tools for producing and distributing video
have become increasingly democratised over this period.

But how are video activists taking to using new video distribution
technologies? Beyond the hype how are these tools being used on the
ground? This research explores how social change video work is currently
being distributed in Indonesia, from VCD to vodcasting, Creative Commons
to Copyright, and considers how are activists might approach
distribution in the future.

This 140 page book presents both English and Indonesian versions of the
research as well as colour illustrations including a visualisation of
the development of video activism and online video.

The research can be downloaded as PDF or hard copies may be ordered.

Full details at
http://engagemedia.org/videochronic

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From danoki at xs4all.nl  Thu Dec  3 17:23:48 2009
From: danoki at xs4all.nl (Dan Oki)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:23:48 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> [Fwd: 3rd Quadrilateral Biennale_Media Art - MMSU,
	Rijeka, Croatia]
Message-ID: <83c6831248b0091b6751b535c89d7944.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: 3rd Quadrilateral Biennale_Media Art - Angles and
Intersections_Opening: December 8th, 2009 at 7 p.m., MMSU, Rijeka, Croatia
From:    "Muzej moderne i suvremene umjetnosti Rijeka" <mmsu at mmsu.hr>
Date:    Thu, December 3, 2009 14:21
To:      mmsu-rijeka at ri.t-com.hr
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

As Museum of Modern and Contemporary Art in Rijeka is going
to organize Video Vortex in 2011, it is interesting to put
attention on this event also. If someone is around...

Dan Oki









From valentin.spirik at gmail.com  Sun Dec  6 15:37:46 2009
From: valentin.spirik at gmail.com (Valentin Spirik)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:37:46 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> New version of openArtist released: a Linux distro
	for open-source video editing...!
Message-ID: <152fa7180912060637u63ed8e86kafd40a524607fd49@mail.gmail.com>

Following previous threads on this list about using open-source software for
video post production I'd like to draw your attention to the new version of
openArtist <http://openartisthq.org/>, *an artist friendly Linux
distro*based on the latest Ubuntu KarmicKoala.

openArtist tries to provide all apps that an artist might need:

- in one package

- with at least a short help text to get you started

- while making sure that everything works out of the box

?openArtist features a streamlined interface (gnomebased), with *integrated
mousegestures*, custom menus, reorganized and extended system configuration
tools, terminal-on-desktop integration (guake, ctrl+esc), dropbox for
collaboration between artists, *extended tooltips for the program launchers*,
*documentation for (nearly) every program* (...)"

For a *full list of included 2D, 3D, Audio, Video, VJ* etc. software see the
openArtist website <http://openartisthq.org/>.*
*

Download is *3.47 GB*, you will need about *12 GB of hard disc space*.*
*

*Download (directly):*

MKL Graz <http://openartist.murspace.net/openArtist.iso>

openMaterials <http://openartist.openmaterials.org/openArtist.iso>

groundhog media <http://openartist.groundhogmedia.ca/openArtist.iso>

Or download the torrent<http://dl.dropbox.com/u/308096/openArtist.iso.torrent>
.

Always make back-ups before testing new software! And* make sure to read the
readme before/after installation files* that are on the openArtist desktop!

Disclaimer: this latest version of openArtist now *includes my own Blender
title/video editing presets *(see the "Vid" menu) to help everyone get
started with open-source video editing using Blender.
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From joomen at beeldengeluid.nl  Sun Dec  6 17:31:28 2009
From: joomen at beeldengeluid.nl (Johan Oomen)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:31:28 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> Carl Malamud and FedFlix
In-Reply-To: <152fa7180912060637u63ed8e86kafd40a524607fd49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7419AF0.13056%joomen@beeldengeluid.nl>

(tiny) article by Cory Doctorow on a recent initiative of ?rogue archivist?
Carl Malamud:
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/04/watch-americas-publi.html  (for those
who haven't seen it yet)

?FedFlix is a joint venture with the National Technical Information Service
(NTIS). Each month they send us government videotapes. We upload them to the
Internet Archive and YouTube, then send the government back their videotapes
and a digital copy for their files. No cost to them, more data for all of
us.? http://public.resource.org/
 
Best,
Johan Oomen
Sound and Vision
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From jay.dedman at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 19:52:04 2009
From: jay.dedman at gmail.com (Jay dedman)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:52:04 -0500
Subject: <videovortex> Carl Malamud and FedFlix
In-Reply-To: <C7419AF0.13056%joomen@beeldengeluid.nl>
References: <152fa7180912060637u63ed8e86kafd40a524607fd49@mail.gmail.com> 
	<C7419AF0.13056%joomen@beeldengeluid.nl>
Message-ID: <34ced5f40912071052x4b3cad08w25d659a204068d1d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Johan Oomen <joomen at beeldengeluid.nl> wrote:
> (tiny) article by Cory Doctorow on a recent initiative of ?rogue archivist?
> Carl Malamud:
> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/04/watch-americas-publi.html (for those
> who haven't seen it yet)

Somewhat related is this page I found at the Archive recently:
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive

It's a video archive of all the US television from 9/11 and the
following days. All videos are downloadable. Assume Fair Use. A real
treasure.

Jay



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From treske at bilkent.edu.tr  Tue Dec  8 07:15:27 2009
From: treske at bilkent.edu.tr (Andreas Treske)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:15:27 +0200
Subject: <videovortex> Nielsen: Online Video and DVR Up Double Digits in 3Q
Message-ID: <E33738F7-C321-481A-9A4A-6642BFD95B49@bilkent.edu.tr>

Nielsen: Online Video and DVR Up Double Digits in 3Q

While 99 percent of video is watched on a TV in the U.S., in the third quarter DVR use and online video grew 21.1 percent and 34.9 percent respectively, year-over-year, according to the latest Nielsen A2/M2 Three Screen Report.


http://newteevee.com/2009/12/07/nielsen-online-video-and-dvr-up-double-digits/ 




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From danoki at xs4all.nl  Tue Dec  8 16:27:17 2009
From: danoki at xs4all.nl (Dan Oki)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:27:17 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> 3rd Quadrilateral Biennale: Angles and Intersections
 - MMSU, Rijeka, Croatia, December 8]
Message-ID: <883fc7fd98989e568773b96e273f2a4d.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl>

3rd Quadrilateral Biennale
Media Art ? Angles and Intersections
MMSU (MMCA), December 8th, 2009 ? January 13th, 2010
Opening: December 8th, 2009 at 7 p.m., MMSU, Rijeka

http://www.mmsu.hr/Default.aspx?art=224&sec=16

Artistic Director: Christiane Paul (USA/GER)
Program manager: Ksenija Orelj, MMSU
Curators: Nina Czegledy (HU), Peter Toma? Dobrila (SL), Darko Fritz (CRO),
Elena Giulia Rossi (IT)
Artists:
Croatia: Helena Bulaja, Vlatko Ceric, Dalibor Martinis, Ivan Maru?ic Klif
Italy: Elastic Group of Artists Research, Lorenzo Pizzanelli, Carlo Zanni,
0100101110101101.org
Hungary: Marton Andras Juhasz, Adam Somlai Fischer, Janos Sugar, Julia Vecsei
Slovenia: Ur?ula Berlot, Marko Ko?nik, Luiza Margan & Miha Presker, son:DA

For the third time the Museum of Modern and Contemporary Art presentsone
of the most important regional art events ? the QuadrilateralBiennale. Its
history began in 2005 with a cultural exchange betweenfour neighbouring
countries, the members of the Quadrilateralinitiative ? Croatia, Slovenia,
Hungary, and Italy, with an emphasis onpresenting contemporary art
practice, its recent developments, excitingstatements, new forms, and
media. Unlike its thematic predecessors,Relativism (2005) and Culture Hero
(2007), this year?s QuadrilateralBiennale is for the first time concerned
with new media art ? the artthat uses digital technologies, which have
deeply affected contemporarysociety, as its medium. The Quadrilateral
Biennale will examinedifferent angles and intersections emerging from new
media in theirrelation to the specific political, economic, and cultural
context ofthe participating countries. The curatorial team ? Christiane
Paul(USA/GER), Nina Czegledy (HU), Peter Toma? Dobrila (SL), Darko
Fritz(HR), and Elena Giulia Rossi (IT) will present 16 works of media
anddigital art, one of the most innovative fields of art in its
aestheticand technological constellations. On display in the MMSU and at
severalother Rijeka venues, the exhibition will be integrated into the
urbanspace of Rijeka, which, during the time of the Biennale, will turn
thecity into the regional centre of new media art.











From flick at flickharrison.com  Tue Dec  8 19:47:00 2009
From: flick at flickharrison.com (Flick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:47:00 -0800
Subject: <videovortex> nettime meets frameworks meets videovortex
Message-ID: <200912090025.nB90PdSq059836@mxdrop217.xs4all.nl>

There's an excellent conversation going on on frameworks, an ancient
listserv dedicated to experimental film practice and criticism.

It started out about good experimental film books, the lack of market
for them (not enough uni courses to sell textbooks) and became a
discussion generally about student reading and the death of books.
I.e. one professor lamenting that when he assigned readings, students
actually went to the dean to complain that they had to read books!

Anyway, this message below seems especially good for nettime.  It's
about learning from youtube and an experiment to figure out what
happens when this dominant media culture is allowed to rule the
university classroom.

The frameworks discussion is archived, by thread or date, at
http://www.hi-beam.net/fw/fw41/0642.html .

Nettime, meet frameworks!

(PS - anyone know a simple way to cross-post?  Was going to do it but
anyone replying to both would get rejected unless they signed up for
the opposite list - seems clunky!!)

Begin forwarded message:

From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuckkle at NORTHWESTERN.EDU>
Date: December 8, 2009 12:44:07 AM PST (CA)
To: FRAMEWORKS at LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: looking for good intro text
Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List
<FRAMEWORKS at LISTSERV.AOL.COM>

In continuation of Patty Zimmerman's points about new media and
pedagogy, one of the smartest articles I know on the subject, from
Alex Juhasz based on her experience teaching a course on YouTube

http://aljean.wordpress.com/tag/learning-from-youtube/

Her site/blog covers a lot of terrain and is well worth exploring:

http://aljean.wordpress.com/

Chuck Kleinhans


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From margreet at networkcultures.org  Sun Dec 13 09:17:52 2009
From: margreet at networkcultures.org (Margreet Riphagen)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:17:52 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> youtube mixer
Message-ID: <42384E74-52EF-4DC7-8422-DA5D2CFB92DE@networkcultures.org>

http://v3ga.net/YouTubeMixer/

grtz,
margreet



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From xname at squat.net  Sun Dec 13 14:13:32 2009
From: xname at squat.net (xname)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:13:32 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> youtube mixer
In-Reply-To: <42384E74-52EF-4DC7-8422-DA5D2CFB92DE@networkcultures.org>
References: <42384E74-52EF-4DC7-8422-DA5D2CFB92DE@networkcultures.org>
Message-ID: <20091213131331.GA32530@squat.net>

http://twoyoutubevideosandamotherfuckingcrossfader.com/

grtz,
xname

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 09:17:52AM +0100, Margreet Riphagen wrote:
> http://v3ga.net/YouTubeMixer/
> 
> grtz,
> margreet
> 
> 
> 
> --
> ADDRESS:
> Institute of Network Cultures
> HvA Interactive Media, room 05A20
> Rhijnspoorplein 1
> NL-1091 GC Amsterdam
> 
> POSTAL ADDRESS
> Institute of Network Cultures
> HvA Interactive Media, room 05A20
> PO BOX 1025
> NL-1000 BA Amsterdam
> 
> http://www.networkcultures.org
> t: +31 20 5951866
> f: +31 20 5951840
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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> 
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From info at vitocampanelli.it  Mon Dec 14 12:44:09 2009
From: info at vitocampanelli.it (Vito Campanelli)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:44:09 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> <videovortex-sc>
Message-ID: <4B262509.7070500@vitocampanelli.it>

Dear all,
unfortunately I did not take part in the meeting of Brussels, therefore 
I'm running the risk of insisting on arguments which you have already 
faced.
My proposal goes in the direction of the intervention of Perry: I 
believe it is appropriate to imagine a series of topics that we would 
like addressed by future Video Vortex (regardless of the 
location/organization hosting them).
Made this step will be easier to have a policy framework of reference to 
be adapted to the specific interests of content of the various 
candidates to organize a VV event.

I would also like to draw your attention on the desirability of 
including a line of investigation, as part of a global vision of  the 
"Web video" spreading as an expressive mass medium, focused on some 
specific local conditions. For example, what is the approach to the 
phenomenon specific to Latin-American (or even more specifically: 
Argentina, Brazil, etc..) ?
Over the next VV editions we could then open windows on the specificity 
of some approaches to highlight trends that may be converging, but also 
unexpectedly divergent, compared with the general lines of evolution of 
the phenomenon.

I add that I support the connection of future VV with festivals or 
events that already have their structures and facilities (and their own 
followers); and that the Leicester proposal seems interesting to me.

Season's Greetings,
V.


From treske at bilkent.edu.tr  Tue Dec 22 19:11:12 2009
From: treske at bilkent.edu.tr (Andreas Treske)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:11:12 +0200
Subject: <videovortex> Fwd: [VisEv] CFP - VISIBLE EVIDENCE XVII ISTANBUL
References: <D75AFEFD-F365-4E7E-B454-354616984894@bilkent.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <509827A6-57B6-41C5-A3DD-2A64C43FC954@bilkent.edu.tr>

Visible Evidence XVII                  Istanbul 9-12 August 2010

 

Call for Proposals                      Please Circulate Widely

 

Visible Evidence, the ambulatory international conference on documentary,

will hold its 17th edition at Bo?azici University in Istanbul, Turkey, from 9-12 
August 2010. Hosted by docIstanbul, a non-profit training, research, policy and networking center focusing on documentary film at Bogazici University, Visible 
Evidence XVII marks the first time that the preeminent documentary studies 
conference takes place in Turkey, or for that matter, anywhere in the ?Middle East?.

 

This year?s conference will address all topics and current issues relating to documentary, with a specific regional emphasis on Turkey and its neighbors. 
Thus, although we welcome all proposals, we would like to encourage proposals 
with a focus on the following topics:
 
?      Documentary from Turkey, Iran, the ?Middle East? more generally, the Balkan States and Greece

?      Turkic Documentary (from Turkic nations including Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan; and 
communities such as Tatars)

?      Border-crossings in Documentary: Transnationalism, Border Trade, Migration, and Exile

?      Diasporic Documentary (especially, but not exclusively: German, Dutch, Belgian, British, North American, etc. ?? Turkish/Kurdish documentary)

?      Fortress Europe (exclusion, policy and ideology)

?      Minoritarian Discourses within the Region (Kurdish, Armenian, Arab, Alevi, Assyrian, Jewish, queer, etc.)

?      Activist media from the region

 

Sessions will last for two hours and be limited to four papers of no more than 20 minutes each. All papers to be presented in English. For more information, check the Visible Evidence website, which will have the latest information: http://visibleevidence.org/

 

Please note there is a three-tiered Proposal process:

 

?      Panel Topic Proposals Deadline: 29 January 2010

?      Panel-specific Papers Deadline: 12 March 2010

?      Open Call for Papers not already included in panels Deadline: 
30 March 2010


1. CALL FOR PANEL TOPIC PROPOSALS DEADLINE: 29 JANUARY 
(submit electronically to Alisa Lebow: asl36 at earthlink.net)
300 word panel proposal. This is to be an open panel, not pre-constituted. Notification of acceptance will follow by 15 February.

 

2. CALL FOR PANEL-SPECIFIC PAPER PROPOSALS DEADLINE: 12 MARCH

Once the panels are approved, the accepted panels will be posted on the Visible Evidence website, and the selection committee will issue a further call for papers (250-300 words, one page) by 12 MARCH, directing respondents to the panel chairs who will have until 19 MARCH to confirm line-ups and notify the conference committee.

3. OPEN CALL FOR PAPERS DEADLINE: 30 MARCH
(submit electronically to Alisa Lebow: asl36 at earthlink.net)
Open call for paper proposals (250-300 words, one page) should be submitted by MARCH 30. Final notification of acceptance will follow by 30 APRIL.


 

The conference selection committee is comprised of:

Alisa Lebow, Brunel University, Conference Chair

Zeynep T?l Akbal, Bahce?ehir University

Can Candan, Bo?azici University

Elizabeth Cowie, University of Kent

Ahmet Gurata, Bilkent University

Louise Spence, Kadir Has University

 

 

Conference website: http://visibleevidence.org/

 

 

 

From geert at xs4all.nl  Tue Dec 29 23:36:23 2009
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:36:23 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> tipping point
References: <C7604D04.BE03%j.starrs@usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <A9B6BCDF-6771-436F-BC9B-7E72F5FCA307@xs4all.nl>

> From: Josephine Starrs <j.starrs at usyd.edu.au>
> Date: 29 December 2009 2:19:16 PM
> To: Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl>
>
> Here is the link to our video on vimedo   http://vimeo.com/7786560
> (the one that youtube wont allow)
>
> j







From michael at michaelverdi.com  Wed Dec 30 00:14:12 2009
From: michael at michaelverdi.com (Michael Verdi)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:14:12 -0600
Subject: <videovortex> tipping point
In-Reply-To: <A9B6BCDF-6771-436F-BC9B-7E72F5FCA307@xs4all.nl>
References: <C7604D04.BE03%j.starrs@usyd.edu.au>
	<A9B6BCDF-6771-436F-BC9B-7E72F5FCA307@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <94b4a6520912291514s2754c884vc8c8e8a7617bb470@mail.gmail.com>

What that fuck it that? You should warn people when you send them a
link to a video of frog being boiled alive. Better yet, maybe you
should think twice about forwarding such things.

- Verdi

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> From: Josephine Starrs <j.starrs at usyd.edu.au>
>> Date: 29 December 2009 2:19:16 PM
>> To: Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl>
>>
>> Here is the link to our video on vimedo ? http://vimeo.com/7786560
>> (the one that youtube wont allow)
>>
>> j
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From geert at xs4all.nl  Wed Dec 30 00:45:17 2009
From: geert at xs4all.nl (Geert Lovink)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:45:17 +0100
Subject: <videovortex> tipping point
In-Reply-To: <94b4a6520912291514s2754c884vc8c8e8a7617bb470@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7604D04.BE03%j.starrs@usyd.edu.au>
	<A9B6BCDF-6771-436F-BC9B-7E72F5FCA307@xs4all.nl>
	<94b4a6520912291514s2754c884vc8c8e8a7617bb470@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEB2A9E5-1BDA-4FE7-9546-9F7061EEB795@xs4all.nl>

Better warn people twice before sending them a link to an artwork! Art  
is dangerous. Greetings, Geert

PS. the frog was a. not boiled alive and b. is a pest in Australia....

On 30 Dec 2009, at 12:14 AM, Michael Verdi wrote:

> What that fuck it that? You should warn people when you send them a
> link to a video of frog being boiled alive. Better yet, maybe you
> should think twice about forwarding such things.
>
> - Verdi
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> From: Josephine Starrs <j.starrs at usyd.edu.au>
>>> Date: 29 December 2009 2:19:16 PM
>>> To: Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl>
>>>
>>> Here is the link to our video on vimedo   http://vimeo.com/7786560
>>> (the one that youtube wont allow)
>>>
>>> j
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From michael at michaelverdi.com  Wed Dec 30 00:59:20 2009
From: michael at michaelverdi.com (Michael Verdi)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:59:20 -0600
Subject: <videovortex> tipping point
In-Reply-To: <BEB2A9E5-1BDA-4FE7-9546-9F7061EEB795@xs4all.nl>
References: <C7604D04.BE03%j.starrs@usyd.edu.au>
	<A9B6BCDF-6771-436F-BC9B-7E72F5FCA307@xs4all.nl>
	<94b4a6520912291514s2754c884vc8c8e8a7617bb470@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEB2A9E5-1BDA-4FE7-9546-9F7061EEB795@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <94b4a6520912291559i501ed218g9a323daa06be3759@mail.gmail.com>

Just like there is a difference between free speech and hate speech,
there is a difference between art and animal cruelty. Also I suppose
the frog could have been killed before being boiled (there is a cut in
there) it was clearly trying to escape at one point and P.S. pest or
not, some people (maybe only us non-academic artists) call that
inhumane.

- Verdi

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Better warn people twice before sending them a link to an artwork! Art is
> dangerous. Greetings, Geert
>
> PS. the frog was a. not boiled alive and b. is a pest in Australia....
>
> On 30 Dec 2009, at 12:14 AM, Michael Verdi wrote:
>
>> What that fuck it that? You should warn people when you send them a
>> link to a video of frog being boiled alive. Better yet, maybe you
>> should think twice about forwarding such things.
>>
>> - Verdi
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Josephine Starrs <j.starrs at usyd.edu.au>
>>>> Date: 29 December 2009 2:19:16 PM
>>>> To: Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl>
>>>>
>>>> Here is the link to our video on vimedo ? http://vimeo.com/7786560
>>>> (the one that youtube wont allow)
>>>>
>>>> j
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From sulleleven at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 02:31:19 2009
From: sulleleven at gmail.com (sull)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:31:19 -0500
Subject: <videovortex> tipping point
In-Reply-To: <BEB2A9E5-1BDA-4FE7-9546-9F7061EEB795@xs4all.nl>
References: <C7604D04.BE03%j.starrs@usyd.edu.au>
	<A9B6BCDF-6771-436F-BC9B-7E72F5FCA307@xs4all.nl>
	<94b4a6520912291514s2754c884vc8c8e8a7617bb470@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEB2A9E5-1BDA-4FE7-9546-9F7061EEB795@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <b25baa540912291731q40a62757kb4131bda371c78bd@mail.gmail.com>

though i enjoy lobster and other boiled delicacies and dont want to come off
as a hypocrite, this video sucks.
is this being passed around for a hopeful shock value?
to me, it is just stupid.

sull

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Better warn people twice before sending them a link to an artwork! Art is
> dangerous. Greetings, Geert
>
> PS. the frog was a. not boiled alive and b. is a pest in Australia....
>
>
> On 30 Dec 2009, at 12:14 AM, Michael Verdi wrote:
>
>  What that fuck it that? You should warn people when you send them a
>> link to a video of frog being boiled alive. Better yet, maybe you
>> should think twice about forwarding such things.
>>
>> - Verdi
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Josephine Starrs <j.starrs at usyd.edu.au>
>>>> Date: 29 December 2009 2:19:16 PM
>>>> To: Geert Lovink <geert at xs4all.nl>
>>>>
>>>> Here is the link to our video on vimedo   http://vimeo.com/7786560
>>>> (the one that youtube wont allow)
>>>>
>>>> j
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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